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IFR Cancellation Question
Matt Whiting wrote: In the case of the nonradar tower, does the flight just "expire" in the computer or does the approach controller kill the flight once the hand-off to tower has been confirmed? You are thinking it's like a VFR flight plan where somebody has to take some action to stop SAR from beginning. Nobody is on the clock with an IFR flight plan. If the pilot misses the approach and then pops back to approach, do they have to enter the flight back into the computer? No. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Everett M. Greene wrote: He does no such thing. No calls, whatsoever. There's no need to. Are you saying that a telephone call isn't made or are you saying that nobody in the tower closes the flight plan? Both. Nobody does anything. |
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Roy Smith wrote: It might be tough to maintain visual in cruddy weather when the thing you're trying to watch is moving 60 kts faster than you :-) Depends on who's flying. The local cargo guys here do that all the time. Report the guy in sight so you get your visual and the math you did in your head tells you that the aircraft you are following is far enough ahead or faster enough that it doesn't matter if you ever see him. |
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Everett M. Greene wrote: Are you saying that a telephone call isn't made or are you saying that nobody in the tower closes the flight plan? What is so hard about this? When you cancel IFR inflight all controllers down the line from whatever point you cancelled must be notified that you have cancelled. This is normally done by the computer, controllers receive a "remove strips" message for your flight. When you land at a controlled field you're at the end of the line. There are no controllers down the line to advise that you've cancelled because you're at the end of the line. |
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A Lieberma wrote: Again, from your experiences, sounds like I am right.... Right about what? You never answered my question. Ummm lost pilot doesn't bode well for traffic????? No, why does what I describe **almost** sound like an emergency situation for a lost pilot? Be realistic, clear day, VMC and the pilot doesn't see the airport within a couple of miles? Sounds like a problem, not the norm. No, not if the the pilot doesn't see the field within a couple of miles, if he doesn't see it until he is within a couple of miles. |
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Roy Smith wrote: In article , Ron Natalie wrote: A Lieberma wrote: What you say Steve could very well be, but in my three short years working in the IFR system, I have yet to be cleared for a visual with another IFR plane in front of me in VMC conditions. Happened to me yesterday at Dulles. Reported the MD80 ahead of me in sight, got cleared for the visual even though we were both 5 miles out or so. It might be tough to maintain visual in cruddy weather when the thing you're trying to watch is moving 60 kts faster than you :-) Yes, but you probably won't be following it on a visual approach in cruddy weather. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Everett M. Greene wrote: Are you saying that a telephone call isn't made or are you saying that nobody in the tower closes the flight plan? What is so hard about this? When you cancel IFR inflight all controllers down the line from whatever point you cancelled must be notified that you have cancelled. This is normally done by the computer, controllers receive a "remove strips" message for your flight. When you land at a controlled field you're at the end of the line. There are no controllers down the line to advise that you've cancelled because you're at the end of the line. Does the last computer to handle your IFR flight simply can it after some time period has expired? I'm just curious what event removes the last trace of my IFR flight from the ATC computers. Matt |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
ps.com: Ummm lost pilot doesn't bode well for traffic????? No, why does what I describe **almost** sound like an emergency situation for a lost pilot? Ummm, situational awareness comes to mind???? A pilot bumbling around a busy airport and not seeing the airport sure sounds like an emergency situation developing to me. Surely you can't see a bumbling pilot poking along through a pattern of an airport not causing problems or an emergency situation that may directly affect the safety of flight. Big sky theory will fail. Note, it may not even be the bumbling pilot, but another pilot that has to take evasive action due to the lack of situational awareness from the lost pilot. Yep, a developing emergency. Be realistic, clear day, VMC and the pilot doesn't see the airport within a couple of miles? Sounds like a problem, not the norm. No, not if the the pilot doesn't see the field within a couple of miles, if he doesn't see it until he is within a couple of miles. obviously you are playing some type of semantic game as I really have no clue what you are trying to say above..... My take for what it's worth, if a pilot does not see an airport within a couple of miles FROM THE AIRPORT, then you have a potential emergency situation developing. Loss of situational awareness surely can be considered an emergency. As stated in an earlier post, this is not normal that I have seen in my short 5 years of flying. If you are trying to say that the pilot doesn't see an airport from lets say 15 miles vs 13 miles out from the airport, then yeah, that isn't a problem. Allen |
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IFR Cancellation Question
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Matt Whiting wrote: Steven P. McNicoll wrote: Everett M. Greene wrote: Are you saying that a telephone call isn't made or are you saying that nobody in the tower closes the flight plan? What is so hard about this? When you cancel IFR inflight all controllers down the line from whatever point you cancelled must be notified that you have cancelled. This is normally done by the computer, controllers receive a "remove strips" message for your flight. When you land at a controlled field you're at the end of the line. There are no controllers down the line to advise that you've cancelled because you're at the end of the line. Does the last computer to handle your IFR flight simply can it after some time period has expired? I'm just curious what event removes the last trace of my IFR flight from the ATC computers. Matt There is an anti-flight plan floating around in a parallel universe. When your wheels touch the ground the two universes come into contact and the flight plan and the anti-flight plan annihilate each other. |
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Matt Whiting wrote: Does the last computer to handle your IFR flight simply can it after some time period has expired? I'm just curious what event removes the last trace of my IFR flight from the ATC computers. It times out. |
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