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Old January 24th 04, 04:04 AM
O. Sami Saydjari
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Default Tanis Pre-heater with Engine Analyzer

Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M

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Old January 24th 04, 04:15 AM
Pilot Bob \(I am just a great guy!!\)
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The bayonet probe showed 40-50F higher than the other probes on my airplane.
It was very annoying. JPI could fix it quite easily by modifying their
software to adjust the reading for bayonets, but they do not. That is my
opinion.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...
Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M



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Old January 24th 04, 04:19 AM
O. Sami Saydjari
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On mine, the Tanis kit had us swap out the bayonet probes for some sort
of rings that fit around the inserts that go into the CHT probe slots on
the underside of the engine. Now all of my probes read non-sensical
numbers like 980 degrees F and they fluctuate wildly.

-Sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:

The bayonet probe showed 40-50F higher than the other probes on my airplane.
It was very annoying. JPI could fix it quite easily by modifying their
software to adjust the reading for bayonets, but they do not. That is my
opinion.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...

Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M





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Old January 24th 04, 04:30 AM
Pilot Bob \(I am just a great guy!!\)
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980F is obviously not right. In my previous e-mail I said "bayonet" but I
actually meant the spark plug adapter type. The spark plug adapter type were
way off. Did you check you have JPI compatible probes?

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...
On mine, the Tanis kit had us swap out the bayonet probes for some sort
of rings that fit around the inserts that go into the CHT probe slots on
the underside of the engine. Now all of my probes read non-sensical
numbers like 980 degrees F and they fluctuate wildly.

-Sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:

The bayonet probe showed 40-50F higher than the other probes on my

airplane.
It was very annoying. JPI could fix it quite easily by modifying their
software to adjust the reading for bayonets, but they do not. That is my
opinion.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...

Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M







  #5  
Old January 24th 04, 04:33 AM
O. Sami Saydjari
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The installer supposedly called Tanis and JPI so I assumed they check
for compatibility. I am not sure how I would independently check this
myself. -sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:

980F is obviously not right. In my previous e-mail I said "bayonet" but I
actually meant the spark plug adapter type. The spark plug adapter type were
way off. Did you check you have JPI compatible probes?

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...

On mine, the Tanis kit had us swap out the bayonet probes for some sort
of rings that fit around the inserts that go into the CHT probe slots on
the underside of the engine. Now all of my probes read non-sensical
numbers like 980 degrees F and they fluctuate wildly.

-Sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:


The bayonet probe showed 40-50F higher than the other probes on my


airplane.

It was very annoying. JPI could fix it quite easily by modifying their
software to adjust the reading for bayonets, but they do not. That is my
opinion.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...


Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M







  #6  
Old January 24th 04, 04:38 AM
Pilot Bob \(I am just a great guy!!\)
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Get the part number off one of the probes (follow the wire to find the
label) and call JPI tech support.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...
The installer supposedly called Tanis and JPI so I assumed they check
for compatibility. I am not sure how I would independently check this
myself. -sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:

980F is obviously not right. In my previous e-mail I said "bayonet" but

I
actually meant the spark plug adapter type. The spark plug adapter type

were
way off. Did you check you have JPI compatible probes?

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...

On mine, the Tanis kit had us swap out the bayonet probes for some sort
of rings that fit around the inserts that go into the CHT probe slots on
the underside of the engine. Now all of my probes read non-sensical
numbers like 980 degrees F and they fluctuate wildly.

-Sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:


The bayonet probe showed 40-50F higher than the other probes on my


airplane.

It was very annoying. JPI could fix it quite easily by modifying their
software to adjust the reading for bayonets, but they do not. That is

my
opinion.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...


Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI

Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none

of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI

and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M









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Old January 24th 04, 12:55 PM
KRead
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My understanding is that you require the TAS100T-K probe from TANIS. It
interoperates with the JPI system. It looks like the standard TANIS probes,
but has the CHT sensor built right inside. There are four wires coming out
of each probe, 2 for the TANIS, 2 for the CHT. Unfortunately, each probe
cost $170 US. I just bought the JPI700 for xmas and have purchased the set
of TANIS/CHT probes as well. Need to get a little warmer here in Ottawa
before I can get to install the stuff, so I can't tell you how well it
works. I read lots of stuff regarding the "spark-plug" thermocouple and all
indications say that they don't work well.

Regards,
Ken


"Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!)" wrote in message
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Get the part number off one of the probes (follow the wire to find the
label) and call JPI tech support.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...
The installer supposedly called Tanis and JPI so I assumed they check
for compatibility. I am not sure how I would independently check this
myself. -sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:

980F is obviously not right. In my previous e-mail I said "bayonet"

but
I
actually meant the spark plug adapter type. The spark plug adapter

type
were
way off. Did you check you have JPI compatible probes?

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...

On mine, the Tanis kit had us swap out the bayonet probes for some

sort
of rings that fit around the inserts that go into the CHT probe slots

on
the underside of the engine. Now all of my probes read non-sensical
numbers like 980 degrees F and they fluctuate wildly.

-Sami

Pilot Bob (I am just a great guy!!) wrote:


The bayonet probe showed 40-50F higher than the other probes on my

airplane.

It was very annoying. JPI could fix it quite easily by modifying

their
software to adjust the reading for bayonets, but they do not. That is

my
opinion.

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...


Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI

Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has

a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none

of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI

and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone

out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M











  #8  
Old January 24th 04, 05:42 PM
Jon Woellhaf
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I have a Tanis heater and a JPI EDM-700 on my 182Q.

The JPI CHT probes are bayonet style except for cylinder 3. Cylinder 3 has a
JPI washer-type thermocouple under the top spark plug. Consequently, it
reads lower than the others. The bayonet socket for cylinder 3 is occupied
by the original Cessna CHT probe. JPI makes a dual bayonet adapter which I
intend to install sometime.

The Tanis has a pad heater on the top of the block and on the bottom of the
oil pan. Each cylinder has a Tanis heater/gasket under the rocker arm cover.
The system works very well.

Jon

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...
Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M



  #9  
Old January 24th 04, 06:18 PM
Tom Sixkiller
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"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
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On mine, the Tanis kit had us swap out the bayonet probes for some sort
of rings that fit around the inserts that go into the CHT probe slots on
the underside of the engine. Now all of my probes read non-sensical
numbers like 980 degrees F and they fluctuate wildly.

-Sami


Should have gne this route, not the Tanis route.

http://www.reiffpreheat.com/product.htm#Turbo%20System



  #10  
Old January 24th 04, 08:19 PM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:04:41 -0600, "O. Sami Saydjari"
wrote:

Does anyone out there have experience with having installed a tanis
heater when a engine analyzer is already in place. I have a JPI Classic
Scanner (EGT/CHT) that had bayonnet-type probee for CHT. Tanis has a
kit designed for this sitation, but after we installed the kit, none of
the CHT readings worked at all. The installer called Tanis and JPI and
did get very useful advice on what may be going wrong. Has anyone out
there faced this problem (and successfully overcome it)?

-Sami
Piper Arrow III N2057M


I did, and I used the Tanis heated intake bolts, instead of the CHT probes,
which were being used for my Insight GEM.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)
 




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