Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:02:33 +1000, "John Ewing" none@needed
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media?

Yes - it is a perfect example of US myopia.

I would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where Tenerife
is.

We did at the time. It was in all the papers.

PM is a US popular mag. Do you think an article *of the same title* in
the Oz Post or similar would have other than Oz crashes?

Don't be so precious.

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"John Ewing" none@needed wrote in
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Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where
Tenerife is.

You're as arrogant as the KLM Captain who caused that mess.

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Justin Case wrote:

"John Ewing" none@needed wrote in
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Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where
Tenerife is.


You're as arrogant as the KLM Captain who caused that mess.


That may be true, but it doesn't change the facts.
I would guess the most Australians couldn't tell you where Tenerife is
either.

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Justin Case wrote:

"John Ewing" none@needed wrote in
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Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where
Tenerife is.


You're as arrogant as the KLM Captain who caused that mess.


That may be true, but it doesn't change the facts.
I would guess the most Australians couldn't tell you where Tenerife is
either.

Simply put, the U.S. has had a larger number of commercial flights over the
past 100 years, so it has had a larger number of crashes.

You could argue about the ten that changed the world, but I think the
following definitely should be included:

1. The British Comet crashes (particularly "Yoke Peter") out of Rome, and
the next one, also out of Rome - BOAC;
2. The Lockheed L-188 Electra problems in the U.S. on Braniff (Buffalo,
Texas) and Northwest (Tell City, Indiana) (propeller "whirl" issues)
3. Tenerife (because of the shear number of victims and the influence on
Cockpit Resource Management) (KLM and PanAm)
4. Several of the Korean Air and China Air crashes including Guam, Hong
Kong, Taipei (also because of Cockpit Resource Management issues)
5. Aloha Airlines decompression and issue between Hilo and Maui, where the
top sheared off (because of metal fatigue issues - just like the Comets);
6. Pan Am Stratocruiser over the Pacific ocean in 1958 (because they were
able to ditch the airplane in the ocean and all passengers survived).

"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.


Tenerife didn't change aviation. It was already known that departing from
an occupied runway at a controlled field without a takeoff clearance was a
bad idea.

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Regards


It also does not mention a single crash before the 1950s. Almost every
standard in civil aviation is the result of an accident investigation - and
the really basic lessons were learned as early as the 20s and 30s. Some
local examples include Southern Cloud (radio communications) and Kyeema
(radio navigation), both in the thirties, and I am sure there are similar
ones in North America even if you restrict your crashes to there. And these
lessons are even more basic than anything post war.

JD

"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.


This is from "Popular Mechanics" - the magazine that, every few years,
predicts that Moller's "sky car" is going to revolutionize air travel.

Every couple years they break the news about the new revolutionary
automobile engine that is going to replace the conventional internal
combustion engine.

etc. etc. etc.

What do you expect? This time they would get something right? Eh?

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:36:48 -0400, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.


This is from "Popular Mechanics" - the magazine that, every few years,
predicts that Moller's "sky car" is going to revolutionize air travel.

Every couple years they break the news about the new revolutionary
automobile engine that is going to replace the conventional internal
combustion engine.

etc. etc. etc.

What do you expect? This time they would get something right? Eh?

"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message ...
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Regards


Yes, it should take the place of #2...