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ronca- You mean to say a B-2 couldn't refuel in non-hostile airspace and
reach any point in Russia or China? I know they're big, but are they that big? You'll have to show your math. BRBR The 'math' is that a squadron of them, 6 aircarft, cost the same as a CV and the airwing. They are assets not normally included in any strike scenario. Too valuable and night time only. They were invited to show recently because they needed to be showcased...they really meant little unless they are delivering the 'big heat'.. I don't know, that seems like a long distance to launch a carrier strike. What kind of ordnance can they deliver at that range? BRBR The CV can close to w/i 500 miles in 20 hours...it takes 20 days just to decide to forward deploy a USAF wing... Many aircraft were put out of action, that's true, but I don't recall any runway being put out of action. Do you have anything to support your assertion? BRBR Ya think all those bombs hit just aircarft and not the runway at Hickam??? ya need to watch the mooovie again... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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ronca- Yes, that's me, and yet despite all those "qualifications" you post as
your signature you are unable to provide me with any clues. BRBR My daddy told me not to wrestle with the pigs.... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message thlink.net... USN A-6s and A-7s were busy beating up on targets around Benghazi while the F-111s were hitting Tripoli. Basically, it came down to numbers of suitable aircraft. The plan called for precision night attack, which meant either A-6s or F-111s. With two carriers, there were only 20 A-6s in the region, but 32 were needed to strike all the planned targets in one go. So the Air Force was recruited to fly the rest of the strikes. It took the Air Force 57 aircraft (half of them tankers) to hit roughly the same number of targets as 26 Navy aircraft. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/el_dorado_canyon.htm According to the site you referenced, it appears it took the Air Force 18 aircraft to hit roughly the same number of targets as 26 Navy aircraft. You're counting all USAF aircraft, including airborne spares, but just the USN strike aircraft. The site goes on to say that more than 110 Navy aircraft may have been involved. Today, many of the factors that restricted the Lybia strikes are no longer factors. A single carrier could put up at least 40 aircraft qualified for night proecision strike today; two carriers could easily cover both the Benghazi and Tripoli target sets without Air Force augmentation, even excluding the possible use of Tomahawks against some or all of these targets. Today you could do it with two B-2s and tanker support. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
thlink.net "Thomas Schoene" wrote in message thlink.net... USN A-6s and A-7s were busy beating up on targets around Benghazi while the F-111s were hitting Tripoli. Basically, it came down to numbers of suitable aircraft. The plan called for precision night attack, which meant either A-6s or F-111s. With two carriers, there were only 20 A-6s in the region, but 32 were needed to strike all the planned targets in one go. So the Air Force was recruited to fly the rest of the strikes. It took the Air Force 57 aircraft (half of them tankers) to hit roughly the same number of targets as 26 Navy aircraft. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/el_dorado_canyon.htm According to the site you referenced, it appears it took the Air Force 18 aircraft to hit roughly the same number of targets as 26 Navy aircraft. You're counting all USAF aircraft, including airborne spares, but just the USN strike aircraft. The site goes on to say that more than 110 Navy aircraft may have been involved. Yes, I did an odd count there. But many of these USN aircraft (the CAP fighters, for example) were effectively supporting both missions, so the count is still reasonably close. Today, many of the factors that restricted the Lybia strikes are no longer factors. A single carrier could put up at least 40 aircraft qualified for night proecision strike today; two carriers could easily cover both the Benghazi and Tripoli target sets without Air Force augmentation, even excluding the possible use of Tomahawks against some or all of these targets. Today you could do it with two B-2s and tanker support. Yes, I guess you could. Of course, you'd need to provide fighter protection (just in case) and SEAD (ditto). And those aren't flying in from CONUS. Not to mention the value of the carriers in performing one other major mission near Libya; the Gulf of Sidra Freedom of Navigation exercises. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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ronca- Today you could do it with two B-2s and tanker support. BRBR
do ya suppose they could strap A-9s onto these things for the 'Line of Death', freedom of navigation exercise that followed? 2 B-2s cost $1 Billion, that's with a 'B'...not exactly cost effective...Hopefully they would have a moonless night or a lucky Libyan, flying around on his night Fam-3 could have a shot at these 'black elephants'... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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