Why We Lost The Vietnam War

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Definitely in some areas, definitely not in other areas, and
competitve in many other areas. For example,
the de havilland Comet air disasters occurred
and ruined that aircraft's reputation and
opportunities for commercial success because
British industry failed to heed American engineering
studies regarding metal fatigue.


This is balls. The most extensive research into aircraft frames and
metal
fatigue was the Comet after one fell from the sky. It was
solved )(square
windows were replaced by oval windows and other changes. ALL this
research
was given to the USA. They implemented in in their bombers and
commercial
planes.

No, *this* is balls. April 8 1954 was the last of *three* Comet crashes
through the same cause. October 19 1954 was the date of publication of
the crash report giving metal fatigue as the cause. July 15, 1954 was
the date of the 707 prototype's first flight.

The prototype was not the finished article. Also British research on the
Comet was ongoing from the first crash. All this went to the USA.

The 707 was a better, safer plane than the Comet. End of story.

IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. Better
plane? The Nimrod, which still fly's today, is a "Comet".

(snip)

The reason the Spits could not pull out of sound barrier breaking dives
was
solved. The whole of the rear small tail wings were swivelled and it
was
solved. An experimental Spitfire was fitted with these in WW2. The
Miles
52 had them and the drawing given to the Americans had them and the Bell
X-1
had them.

Jeremy Clarkson last year did a humorous TV prog about clear British
inventions that the USA claim as theirs. The Miles 52 was featured. He
interviewed US X-21 designers who said they invented the swivelling rear
wings and made the X-2 work. Then Clarkson showed pictures of the
adapted
Spits and the Miles 52 and the drawings given to the US too. Parts of
the
programme were hilarious. He did one the other night on the computer
and
how Colossus officially didn't exist, giving a free path for the USA to
walk.

I quite like Jeremy Clarkson, but if watching the occasional bit of TV
is the sum of your knowledge about aviation (as it appears), you should
maybe go away and read up a bit more before posting here.

I worked in aviation.

(snip)

DeLorean had a good track record, came up with a good idea to create
employment in conflict struck Northern Ireland. What the government
spent
on the project was less then any social unemployment benefits they would
have had to give out. So the British government didn't loose, but
didn't
win, when DeLorean was found to be a crook.

They lost, big style. Don't kid yourself.

Not in money stake. In pride yes.


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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back
on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.

Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320


Better
plane? The Nimrod, which still fly's today, is a "Comet".


As does the 707 which is the basis for the Boeing E-3
sentry and the JSTARS aircraft

Keith

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Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320


Oops. Typo.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back
on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.

Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707.

We are on about jets. Can't you focus for once?

The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320

Can't you do anything right?
http://user.itl.net/~colonial/comet/history.html


On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first regular
transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British innovation.


Better
plane? The Nimrod, which still fly's today, is a "Comet".



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"Spiv" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall
back
on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.

Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707.

We are on about jets. Can't you focus for once?


I suggest you learn precision in communication, you
did not qualify your claim.

The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320

Can't you do anything right?
http://user.itl.net/~colonial/comet/history.html





On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first
regular
transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British
innovation.

But not non-stop, it had to stop in Newfoundland to refuel
while the 707 made the journey non stop.

I suggest you work on your reading skills.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Can't you do anything right?
http://user.itl.net/~colonial/comet/history.html


On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first
regular
transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British
innovation.

But not non-stop, it had to stop in Newfoundland to refuel

Which side of the Atlantic is Newfoundland?



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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:



On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first
regular
transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British
innovation.

But not non-stop, it had to stop in Newfoundland to refuel
while the 707 made the journey non stop.

I suggest you work on your reading skills.

Keith

Now now Keith. Newfoundland is on the western edge of the
Atlantic so it WAS 'transatlantic' wasn't it?...
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-Gord.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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Can't you do anything right?
http://user.itl.net/~colonial/comet/history.html


On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first
regular
transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British
innovation.



BOAC was indeed the first to offer transatlantic jet passenger service. Two
Comet 4s made simultaneous departures from Heathrow and Idlewild airports on
October 4, 1958, on the New York - London route. Although BOAC won the
race, beating Pan Am's 707 on the New York - Paris route by three weeks, the
Comet 4 was not designed for transatlantic service. The westbound flight
had to stop to refuel in Gander, Newfoundland. BOAC had planned from the
start to replace the Comet on the route as soon as it's own 707s were on
hand. The 707-320 could carry twice the passenger load almost twice as far
100 mph faster than the Comet 4.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back
on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.

Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320


I think you are screwed up on your airplane designations. Sure it wasn't a
707-320? The Boeing 727 series was a much later series. On the
Trans-Atlantic runs I remember crossing on the DC-6/C-118 airplanes long
before 1959. Don't leave Douglas out, please.

Tex Houston

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall
back
on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.

Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320


I think you are screwed up on your airplane designations. Sure it wasn't
a
707-320? The Boeing 727 series was a much later series.

Why would you believe the 727 was a much later series?

On the
Trans-Atlantic runs I remember crossing on the DC-6/C-118 airplanes long
before 1959. Don't leave Douglas out, please.

Think 720 instead of 727 and you will get it.