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Taxi Clearance
I just noticed this today:
AIM 5-2-2. Taxi Clearance Pilots on IFR flight plans should communicate with the control tower on the appropriate ground control or clearance delivery frequency, prior to starting engines, to receive engine start time, taxi and/or clearance information. --------------------------------- In the Azores, Portugal, when I checked out at a local flying club, it was mandatory to contact the control tower prior to engine start, even when flying VFR. (And it was mandatory to receive a clearance to "start engines" before doing so). However, in the US, I was not taught, nor have I ever called in "prior to starting engines" unless that requirement was explicitly stated on the ATIS (as it has been occasionally at KBOS). Is this a holdover from former times? Or something else altogether? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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I think this is aimed at the turbine crowd, not the piston pilots, although
the AIM does not make any distinction. Bob Gardner "Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message ... I just noticed this today: AIM 5-2-2. Taxi Clearance Pilots on IFR flight plans should communicate with the control tower on the appropriate ground control or clearance delivery frequency, prior to starting engines, to receive engine start time, taxi and/or clearance information. --------------------------------- In the Azores, Portugal, when I checked out at a local flying club, it was mandatory to contact the control tower prior to engine start, even when flying VFR. (And it was mandatory to receive a clearance to "start engines" before doing so). However, in the US, I was not taught, nor have I ever called in "prior to starting engines" unless that requirement was explicitly stated on the ATIS (as it has been occasionally at KBOS). Is this a holdover from former times? Or something else altogether? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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In Europe start up permission is always mandatory at controlled airfields.
Not just for turbines, also for piston... "Bob Gardner" wrote in message ... I think this is aimed at the turbine crowd, not the piston pilots, although the AIM does not make any distinction. Bob Gardner "Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message ... I just noticed this today: AIM 5-2-2. Taxi Clearance Pilots on IFR flight plans should communicate with the control tower on the appropriate ground control or clearance delivery frequency, prior to starting engines, to receive engine start time, taxi and/or clearance information. --------------------------------- In the Azores, Portugal, when I checked out at a local flying club, it was mandatory to contact the control tower prior to engine start, even when flying VFR. (And it was mandatory to receive a clearance to "start engines" before doing so). However, in the US, I was not taught, nor have I ever called in "prior to starting engines" unless that requirement was explicitly stated on the ATIS (as it has been occasionally at KBOS). Is this a holdover from former times? Or something else altogether? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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"TMG" wrote in message . .. In Europe start up permission is always mandatory at controlled airfields. Not just for turbines, also for piston... What's the reasoning behind that, if any? |
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I was learning to fly at the Ramstein Aero Club, at Ramstein AB, West
Germany when this policy was started, sometime between 1984 and 1986. I don't know for certain why they started making everyone from our F-4E Phantom pilots on down to student pilots in Piper Tomahawks request permission to start engines from the tower, but I'd heard it was intended as a security measure to help prevent terrorists from attempting to steal an aircraft. That would be Red Army Faction, not Al Queda, way back then. I'd also thought back then that it was just a local policy at Ramstein, or perhaps throughout USAFE, but from the orginal posting in this thread I see that it was impemented all over Europe. Scott Wilson On 24-Sep-2005, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: In Europe start up permission is always mandatory at controlled airfields. Not just for turbines, also for piston... What's the reasoning behind that, if any? |
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Europe uses a system of airport and airway slots to avoid delays. If your airway or airport slot has expired, a new one must be renegotiated. Once you taxi in Europe, you takeoff as soon as you get to the runway. So to avoid delays at the end of the runway, one must call pre-start for clearance and to permit ATC coordination. Lynne Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "TMG" wrote in message . .. In Europe start up permission is always mandatory at controlled airfields. Not just for turbines, also for piston... What's the reasoning behind that, if any? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "TMG" wrote in message . .. In Europe start up permission is always mandatory at controlled airfields. Not just for turbines, also for piston... What's the reasoning behind that, if any? They seem to have a rigid system of airways between city pairs so ground holds are fairly common. Mike MU-2 |
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They seem to have a rigid system of airways between city pairs so ground holds are fairly common. more important: the slots at the airports! Sometimes, it's so crowded they don't let you take off because they know traffic at your destination is too heavy for you to fit in :-/ Pat |
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TMG wrote: In Europe start up permission is always mandatory at controlled airfields. Not just for turbines, also for piston... Poor souls. |
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I teach my students to call before engine start to get their clearance
(controlled fields). You are allowed to call up to two hours before your proposed departure, so why waste your gas waiting for the clearance to be issued? However, I have yet to ever receive a 'start time' from any clearance delivery. They just say 'contact ground when ready to taxi'. Also, if you have a handheld, you can get your clearance using it instead of using your aircraft battery, so on that cold day, you will have every ounce of juice the battery can deliver for the start. Russ MacDonald "Bob Gardner" wrote in message ... I think this is aimed at the turbine crowd, not the piston pilots, although the AIM does not make any distinction. Bob Gardner "Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message ... I just noticed this today: AIM 5-2-2. Taxi Clearance Pilots on IFR flight plans should communicate with the control tower on the appropriate ground control or clearance delivery frequency, prior to starting engines, to receive engine start time, taxi and/or clearance information. --------------------------------- In the Azores, Portugal, when I checked out at a local flying club, it was mandatory to contact the control tower prior to engine start, even when flying VFR. (And it was mandatory to receive a clearance to "start engines" before doing so). However, in the US, I was not taught, nor have I ever called in "prior to starting engines" unless that requirement was explicitly stated on the ATIS (as it has been occasionally at KBOS). Is this a holdover from former times? Or something else altogether? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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