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Berlin Airlift, IFR
"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
... On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:43:54 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message . .. GCA = Ground Controlled Approach. PAR = Precision Approach Radar (A GCA with both glide path and centerline guidance. ASR = Air Surveillance Radar (A GCA with centerline guidance only, using recommended minimum altitudes at various ranges from touchdown) Both ASR and PAR are GCA. A surveillance approach does not necessarily include recommended minimum altitudes. Terminology and precision in language again. An ASR has minimum altitudes and a "begin descent" point after which you can descend to minimums as fast or as slowly as you choose while being guaranteed terrain clearance. My insertion of the modifier "recommended" was bad. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com Don't feel too bad Ed, Stevie's just splitting hairs again. From an FAA controller's standpoint recommended altitudes on ASR approaches are only provided on pilot request (see FAAO 7110.65 5-11-1). However IIRC, either AFR 60-5 or AFCSR 60-5 required USAF final controllers to provide them all the time even without a specific request so a USAF stick actuator would seldom (if ever) have a need to split that particular hair. |
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Berlin Airlift, IFR
Recommended altitudes were routinely issued until an accident at Cleveland.
Then it was on request only. Al "KP" nospam@please wrote in message . .. "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:43:54 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... GCA = Ground Controlled Approach. PAR = Precision Approach Radar (A GCA with both glide path and centerline guidance. ASR = Air Surveillance Radar (A GCA with centerline guidance only, using recommended minimum altitudes at various ranges from touchdown) Both ASR and PAR are GCA. A surveillance approach does not necessarily include recommended minimum altitudes. Terminology and precision in language again. An ASR has minimum altitudes and a "begin descent" point after which you can descend to minimums as fast or as slowly as you choose while being guaranteed terrain clearance. My insertion of the modifier "recommended" was bad. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com Don't feel too bad Ed, Stevie's just splitting hairs again. From an FAA controller's standpoint recommended altitudes on ASR approaches are only provided on pilot request (see FAAO 7110.65 5-11-1). However IIRC, either AFR 60-5 or AFCSR 60-5 required USAF final controllers to provide them all the time even without a specific request so a USAF stick actuator would seldom (if ever) have a need to split that particular hair. |
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