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wrote in message I did ag flying in the Columbia Basin How did you get involved with that? If I never flew outside of the Columbia River region, I still wouldn't get tired of it! -gattman PP-ASEL-IA Troutdale, OR |
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Michael wrote: In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There is no effective way to know if it is hot. Most of the Alert Areas that I'm familiar with are co-located with a base that does intensive training. As far as I know, they're always considered hot. Perhaps other areas of the country are different, but I haven't yet run across an alert area that didn't have a frequency you could call to get advisories within the Alert Area. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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"Michael" wrote in message
ps.com... OtisWinslow wrote: The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training" and it was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before venturing around in it. In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There is no effective way to know if it is hot. Michael I was on a XC from Chandler, AZ to Yuma, AZ a couple of weeks back and my route took me across the preferred north/south route from Luke AFB to the R-XXXX areas that make up the bulk of the Goldwater bombing range south and west of Phoenix. I was just about to Gila Bend, getting traffic advisories from the controlers at Luke and I found it interesting that I could also hear traffic calls that were being made to the flights of F16s that were passing over the top of me. I guess they must multiplex or piggyback the UHF radios on the VHF band or vice versa. It's still one of my favorite things to report "Cessna 564 has the flight of four in sight." Jay Beckman PP-ASEL Chandler, AZ |
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wrote in message
oups.com... Michael wrote: In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There is no effective way to know if it is hot. Most of the Alert Areas that I'm familiar with are co-located with a base that does intensive training. As far as I know, they're always considered hot. Perhaps other areas of the country are different, but I haven't yet run across an alert area that didn't have a frequency you could call to get advisories within the Alert Area. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) Luke AFB has VHF freqs listed for doing just that, don't they John? Jay B |
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Hey
I have been an ag pilot for hmmmm...since 1966. I was flying out of Moses Lake in the mid 90's with a turbine Thrush. There is a cargo drop zone WSW of Moses Lake in the Potholes region where I sprayed a lot of alfalfa. I enjoyed watching the 141's come over and drop pallets under canopy. A few times I saw individual troops under canopy, probably getting in their jump pay drops. South of Napavine WA is a route following the river east (either the Cowlitz or the Toutle) and I have seen some exotic aircraft going thru there like a bat out of hell. Can't forget the time I saw what looked like a Concorde at about 500'agl going east on the river. Couldn't get my camera out fast enough to get a shot of it with Mt St Helens in the background. Still not sure what it was as it was so startling and only in view for about :10 sec. I was flying a helicopter at the time. Ol S&B |
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Jay Beckman wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Most of the Alert Areas that I'm familiar with are co-located with a base that does intensive training. As far as I know, they're always considered hot. Perhaps other areas of the country are different, but I haven't yet run across an alert area that didn't have a frequency you could call to get advisories within the Alert Area. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) Luke AFB has VHF freqs listed for doing just that, don't they John? Yep. You call Luke Approach. There are boxes around the Alert Area on the sectional that give you the frequency. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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"OtisWinslow" wrote in message ... The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training" and it was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before venturing around in it. The military pilots were doing what they do in the area reserved for them to do it in. The airspace is not reserved for them to do it in. That is what the restricted areas are for. It is joint use airspace... |
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Jay Beckman wrote: "OtisWinslow" wrote in message ... The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training" and it was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before venturing around in it. The military pilots were doing what they do in the area reserved for them to do it in. "Alert Areas" don't run Hot/Cold do they? I thought they were there because of the *constant* volume of traffic and they are "See and Avoid" for everyone? Alert Area A-561 ends at 4000' MSL. The Air Tractor was northbound, and if indeed he was at 5000', that puts him at 1000' above the celing of the alert area. Curious, if the ag plane were cruising at 5000' then I wonder if he was on an instrument flight plan, otherwise if VFR, he should've been 4500 or 5500 depending on course heading. |
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"OtisWinslow" wrote in message ... The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training" and it was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before venturing around in it. The military pilots were doing what they do in the area reserved for them to do it in. Military pilots have areas set aside for killing civilian pilots? Interesting. |
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you mean the GA plane managed to T-bone another military aircraft?
Flame on BT "Denny" wrote in message oups.com... Darwin award! While we are on the topic of stupidity, did everyone notice that the military managed to t-bone another GA plane yesterday, killing the GA pilot, while the intrepid combat pilots parachuted to safety.. Denny |
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