Why was the USAF.....................

"Mike Marron" wrote

The original poster asked a reasonable question

Reasonable? As written, this troll is more along the lines of "When did you
stop beating your wife?"

and I was hoping
that someone such as yourself on active duty would've provided a
reasonable answer by now. Since I am not in the military I can only
speculate but it's obvious that the USAF dropped the ball on 9/11
BIG time!

Really. So what should have been done differently? How could the USAF have
prevented it? Feel free to use any of the available timelines depicting the
morning of 9/11.

Pete

"Pete" wrote

Really. So what should have been done differently?

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those on the
ground.

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at
such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those
on the
ground.

Using this criteria, I would have been shot down in the Spring of '97 (I think
??) due to no fault of my own, or anyone on my jet.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Gene Storey wrote:

"Pete" wrote

Really. So what should have been done differently?

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those on the
ground.

Unfortunately, your post is dated January 2004. I seem to have misplaced your post from
early 2001 detailing the specific threat and making your recommendations, along with the
budgetary implications. Of course, you also advocated similar precautions for ALL large
US cities, didn't you? I am sure the congressional delegations from states such as
Illinois and California would have had some input.

Could you favor us with a copy of your pre 9/11 prescriptions?

Bob McKellar

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote

Really. So what should have been done differently?

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at
such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of
those on the
ground.

In the pre 911 world, how would you have justified such draconian actions?

In article zE1Lb.9465$6l1.4352@okepread03,
"Gene Storey" wrote:

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those
on the
ground.

....and then they'd hit Washington and Los Angeles and San Francisco and
Dallas and New Orleans and Chicago and Detroit and Philadelphia and
Miami and Boston and Denver and Seattle and Atlanta and...

Well.

In reality, you'd have to buy a few thousand Patriot batteries, enlist a
few hundred thousand people to man them 24/7, and then the bad guys
would do something else to kill people.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Gene Storey wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote

Really. So what should have been done differently?

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds
given, at such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of
commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250
knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side
of those on the
ground.


How many Star Trek conventions have you attended?

--

Scott
--------
The French, God bless them, are finally joining the war against Islamic
extremism. Their targets, which will now confront the full force of
l'état, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim head scarves in French public
schools.
Wall Street Journal

"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:zE1Lb.9465$6l1.4352@okepread03...
"Pete" wrote

Really. So what should have been done differently?

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those on the
ground.

Do you remember KAL 007? The Soviets did pretty much exactly what you
have in mind - they shot down an airline that was off-route and had
entered their airspace. And that wasn't even in a area with several
major airports - with the number of flights coming into NY
(occasionally with emergencies) each day, are you going to risk
shooting down the wrong plane?

Eugene Styer

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
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New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries.


It did. The Skysweeper AAA batteries were phased out in the fifties with
the introduction of Nike SAM batteries, which lasted until 1974.



There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at
such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.


What about aircraft approaching New York from points within the US?



I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated.


Well, then, it's good that you're not in charge of air defense.



Error on the side of those on the ground.


Because the lives of those on the ground are more valuable than the lives of
those in the airplane?

"Pete" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote

The original poster asked a reasonable question

Reasonable? As written, this troll is more along the lines of "When did you
stop beating your wife?"

Of course you're correct. Let's disregard the manner in which the
question was asked (the original poster asked, "Why was the USAF stood
down on 9/11?") and simply ask instead something along the lines of;
"Why was the USAF unable to prevent 9/11?"

and I was hoping
that someone such as yourself on active duty would've provided a
reasonable answer by now. Since I am not in the military I can only
speculate but it's obvious that the USAF dropped the ball on 9/11
BIG time!

Really. So what should have been done differently? How could the USAF have
prevented it? Feel free to use any of the available timelines depicting the
morning of 9/11.

I'm the one asking the questions, here. You have to take into
consideration my other comments (not merely the one paragraph
above to which you've responded).

Once again, I said:

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The original poster asked a reasonable question and I was hoping
that someone such as yourself on active duty would've provided a
reasonable answer by now. Since I am not in the military I can only
speculate but it's obvious that the USAF dropped the ball on 9/11
BIG time!

Don't get me wrong, I realize that after the wall came down in 1989
the USAF didn't have fighters sitting at the ready all over the U.S.
pre-armed with missiles and pilots just waiting to shoot down domestic
airliners that have been hijacked by "Islamic ****s" ($1 to Juvat).

Having said that, to this day I too am confounded by the apparent
ineptness of the USAF (and especially the American intelligence
community) both of whom utterly failed to prevent the apocalyptic
death and destruction of 9/11.

Nowadays, when we're told of F-16's and -15's flying CAP over
major U.S. cities post-9/11 -- the first thing that springs to mind is
the old adage, "Closing the barn door after the horse has gotten
out..."

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