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On Feb 22, 12:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote in
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find
it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
bumblebee, maybe

even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record.
there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing
contest for the smallest aroun
d
that time.
He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t
work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get the pitot
far enough away from the prop wash..

Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM

Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing some
low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
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Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html

How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
it's up and going it's fine.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those engines!

How about four of 'em?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related

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I wonder how long it will be before that shows up in a James Bond
movie?

Phil

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On Feb 22, 12:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote
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On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote in
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might
find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
bumblebee, maybe

even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a
****ing contest for the smallest aroun
d
that time.
He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get
the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..

Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM

Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing
some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
d text -

- Show quoted text -

Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html

How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
it's up and going it's fine.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
engines!

How about four of 'em?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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I wonder how long it will be before that shows up in a James Bond
movie?

Hehe. Not long I'd say!

Bertie

On Feb 22, 6:54*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote innews:802280d2f59d1@uwe:

William Hung wrote:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

Wil

WTF...how did they handle the anti-torque on that GIANT hecilopter. I
didn't see a tail rotor.

Jet tip.

Bertie

Yeah there are several tip jet helicopters out there, The Atlas uses
hydrogen peroxide tip jets (steam).

http://www.advancedtechnologiesinc.c...raft_atlas.asp

The Hiller Hornet uses small karosene burning jet engines at the tips.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...rs/q0141.shtml

The Djinn uses bleed air from a turbine engine I believe.

http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialCont...9cba87a3&cat=7

Looks like that big beast at the end also uses blreed air from those
four turbines mounted on the fuselage.

Wil

On Feb 22, 3:08*pm, kontiki wrote:
William Hung wrote:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

Wil

I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.

"If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
then file a lawsuit against it."

I know what you mean. Sometimes I wish I was born during those
periods. Those were the days when men were men.

Wil

On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote :





On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
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On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote
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On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote in
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:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot
like the

bumblebee, maybe

even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK.
I think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved
in a ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
d
that time.
He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to
get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..

Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM

Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere
of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
d text -

- Show quoted text -

Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html

How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but
once it's up and going it's fine.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
engines!

How about four of 'em?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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Saw that, the guy's got balls.

I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might get
me one O'Dem.

Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know
if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone
in RAH would know, I'm sure.

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Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either Zenith
or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were selling
them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something was
changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think, proved
dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to theCriCrifor the
Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in France however.

My momory and my info may not be correct.

Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem if
the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal airplanes
glued together for a very long time!

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCM...eature=related

Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. Very Nice. Some other
'New Thinking' designs there as well. Who said GA is dead? Certainly
not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
US.

Wil

On Feb 23, 12:03*pm, William Hung wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





William Hung wrote :

On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
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On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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:

On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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:

On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote
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:

On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote in
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:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot
like the

bumblebee, maybe

even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK.
I think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved
in a ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
d
that time.
He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to
get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..

Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM

Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere
of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
d text -

- Show quoted text -

Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html

How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but
once it's up and going it's fine.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
engines!

How about four of 'em?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Saw that, the guy's got balls.

I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might get
me one O'Dem.

Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know
if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone
in RAH would know, I'm sure.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either Zenith
or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were selling
them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something was
changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think, proved
dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to theCriCrifor the
Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in France however.

My momory and my info may not be correct.

Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem if
the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal airplanes
glued together for a very long time!

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCM...eature=related

Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead? *Certainly
not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
US.

Wil- Hide quoted text -

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Also check out the AeroCar at 4:11. Wow!

Wil

William Hung wrote in
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCM...eature=related

Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. Very Nice. Some other
'New Thinking' designs there as well. Who said GA is dead? Certainly
not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
US.

Pretty cool alright. I don't think it has anything to do with the Cri Cri.
The two cub type thngs at 3:04 are made in the Czech republic. Modern cubs
with rotax engines and good performance and they're not all that expensive
either.

William Hung wrote in
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On Feb 23, 12:03*pm, William Hung wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





William Hung wrote
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On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
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:

On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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:

On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil J wrote
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:

On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

WingFlaps wrote
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On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip
wrot
e:
William Hung wrote in
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:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks
a l
ot
like the

bumblebee, maybe

even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?

That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum
AFAIK. I think it still holds the smallest airplane
( wingspan) record. there were a few homebuilders
that got involved in a ****ing contest for the
smallest aroun
d
that time.
He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on
the takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was
the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't
possible to get the pitot far enough away from the
prop wash..

Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM

Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip
somewhere

of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
d text -

- Show quoted text -

Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html

How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long,
but once it's up and going it's fine.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up
those engines!

How about four of 'em?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Saw that, the guy's got balls.

I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might
get me one O'Dem.

Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans
available anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in
Ebay. I don't know

if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore.
Someone in RAH would know, I'm sure.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either
Zenith

or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were
selling

them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something
wa
s
changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think,
proved dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to
theCriCrifor the Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in
France however.

My momory and my info may not be correct.

Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem
if the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal
airplanes glued together for a very long time!

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCM...eature=related

Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead?
*Certainly

not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
US.

Wil- Hide quoted text -

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Also check out the AeroCar at 4:11. Wow!


Yeah, it seems to be alive and well. None of them really appeal to me, I
want a Monocoupe!

Bertie

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:42:46 -0800 (PST), William Hung
wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
even smaller. Would any of you fly it?

In a word... NO.

In an interview with designer, he described it as "marginally
controllable.

Now the Cri-Cri, mentioned elsewhere in this thread, THAT'S an
airplane I'd love to fly!

-Dana

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On Feb 23, 11:03*am, William Hung wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCM...eature=related

Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead? *Certainly
not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
US.

Wil

Another unusual design in there. It's got a 2-cylinder BMW motorcycle
engine mounted behind the cabin, driving the prop through a shaft that
runs between the seats. Here's a link: http://www.aerojames.com/index.php?section=appareil

Phil