Avmap EKP-IV Linux Project!!!

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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NW_Pilot,

As soon as we can get the maps to load on another card,


You will also have broken the copy protection, won't you? Exactly how
legal is that per Avmap'S licensing agreement?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)



Not sure I think that would be Jeppesen that may have an issue, but working
with expired data any ways.... and not making proffit on it just learning.
Right now it's looking like the map data is safe. verry odd encryption!!!

WingFlaps wrote:
On May 1, 7:31 am, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
NW_Pilot,

As soon as we can get the maps to load on another card,
You will also have broken the copy protection, won't you? Exactly how
legal is that per Avmap'S licensing agreement?


Did he say he wanted to load an Avmap map copy? Maybe he just wants to
load his own maps or something else? I think his experimentation
should be encouraged.

Cheers


Over here in the US we have the DMCA that makes breaking any copy
protection pretty much felony. Breaking the copy protection so he CAN
copy the Avmap map is pretty much the same thing as breaking the copy
protection AND copying the map. Not something he ought to advertise
that he is doing. But NW_pilot has a history of telling us about doing
things he ought not do. Sometimes he even provides video. He hasn't
gotten in trouble for it yet I hope he never does but if he does you can
bet your ass that there will be plenty of folks that yell, "I told you
so." I'll probably be one of them.

"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
. ..
Been chatting with a few old time geek friends online it looks like we are
going to start an embedded Linux project for this hardware while keeping
it capable of running current nav data/maps my unit just booted an 8 gig
CF card (Avmap SW) a friend is going to try a 32 gig card in the next week
or so on his. Looks like this hardware will make a great open source
platform.

Unit Booted SanDisk ConnectPlus With Wifi 2 bad they are not larger in
capacity... Would be Great Wifi Addition.
Unit Booted 8 gig CF Card
Unit Booted 2 Gig SD With CF Type 1 Adapter
Unit Booted 1 Gig micro SD With CF Type 1 Adapter

Unit Did Not Boot With CFII Micro Drive.....
Unit Did not Boot With 2 Gig SD With CF Type 2 Adapter

I Will test Other Forms and sizes of flash memory when I can get my hands
on them. If any one Know of any sources of low power Wifi CF cards with
4gb or larger capacity please let me know.

Also if your looking for Interface Cables look Here Only $3.00 Pluss they
have right Angle Plugs Pre Wired Add a DB9 Connector There You Go Connect
to PC.

http://www.minute-man.com/acatalog/4...mm_Cables.html

See what happens when I take time off get board and start playing.....

Laters

Finding all sorts of cool things about this Hardware!

OK,
Found out that the key File in Avmaps software is the CMAP2.CER it is some
how tied to The Compact Flash ID on the CF card marrying the data base to
the CF to the data base installed... This issue will be solved....
If anyone knows how to clone/change/generate a CF ID let me know.
Wife did not tell me UPS left a Package On the Door...
Upon Disassembly I notice Very Good Construction, The Wave and Reflo and
Photo Etching of the Board Is Top Notch Way to Go to the Board Houses if
they are In House at Avmap can see this company around a long time.
I do have the tools to remove the BGA package but not going to risk this
unit as it is a working one... and my skills are very rusty been few years
since I played with SMT rework equipment.
I will as soon as I receive the broken one first thing is remover and Dump
the TSOP thank Xeltek for the Auto ID feature the Old Legacy Model
Superpro 680 I have On My Desk Still Supports 11,400+ Parts hehehe Will
decompile it and see what's actually going on inside this thing.
Beware Battery Back Up Ram!!! If You Unplug the GPS Receiver You Will
Loose Your Almanac And Need To Wait About 30 Min to Download a New One....
GPS CHIP Set Ublox LEA-4S-0-000
Main Board, # BM831E
48LC8M16A2 X 2 SYNCHRONOUS DRAM
cy62128ev300ll-45ZXI Still Searching? Anyone?
Altera MAX EMP3256ATC144-10NIC, COMPLEX-EEPLD,256-CELL,7.5NS PROP
DELAY,QFP,144PIN,PLASTIC
Flash 29L? Ground Off???? Under the S8 Sticker...
CPU Samsung S3C2410AL-26 CO707 ARM 9 Under OK SMD Sticker
http://airplanemanuals.com/avmap_apart/S3C2410A.pdf

Right Now Changing Power Plug to Standard Type!!!!
Will Add DB9 Serial Connector To GPS Reciver Board
Lithium Battery Will be Socketed there is room!!!
Will Add Standard USB connector if I cannot find adapter.
Photo's Are Very Large...!!! Right Click & Download Use Photo Shop Or
Something?
Photo 1 Main Board 3.5MB
http://airplanemanuals.com/avmap_apart/Avmap_MB_DL.jpg
& Photo 2 GPS Serial & USB 1.5MB
http://airplanemanuals.com/avmap_apa...Serial_GPS.jpg

More To Follow,,,, Linux os looking good...


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

What sort of Linux applications are you considering for the Avmap
EKP-IV?


"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
...
Full E6B Calculator, Web Browser, Wi-Fi, Small Six Pack Display, Config
Files, Keyboard,

Each CF Card contains a "CF-ID". Your GPS Software reads that CF-ID and
compares this to a file on the card CMAP2.CER and the map file A mismatch
blocks the maps from loading. You can read the CF-ID through the About
Page.


Now all we need to do is figure out the CMAP2.CER File and So we can make
our files for cards to load our maps. Garmin has a similar type of file
protection system to prevent their maps from loading. There is a Key Gen
Called jetmouse keygen that creates a Garmin check file for the SD/MMC ID
format they use.

As soon as we can get the maps to load on another card, we will know what
will be required to include in the linux kernel for running their map data
and be able to grab updates when needed etc.

I have some Sketched some potential GUI's.

"Gig 601Xl Builder" wrote in message
m...
WingFlaps wrote:
On May 1, 7:31 am, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
NW_Pilot,

As soon as we can get the maps to load on another card,
You will also have broken the copy protection, won't you? Exactly how
legal is that per Avmap'S licensing agreement?


Did he say he wanted to load an Avmap map copy? Maybe he just wants to
load his own maps or something else? I think his experimentation
should be encouraged.

Cheers


Over here in the US we have the DMCA that makes breaking any copy
protection pretty much felony. Breaking the copy protection so he CAN copy
the Avmap map is pretty much the same thing as breaking the copy
protection AND copying the map. Not something he ought to advertise that
he is doing. But NW_pilot has a history of telling us about doing things
he ought not do. Sometimes he even provides video. He hasn't gotten in
trouble for it yet I hope he never does but if he does you can bet your
ass that there will be plenty of folks that yell, "I told you so." I'll
probably be one of them.

That is like Microsoft telling us if you want a upgrade your hard drive to
something larger than what hardware mfg has given or is willing to give you
and you want a duel boot your original license you cant. Microsoft sure did
get I hot water when they tried it so what Aamap is doing software mfg's get
in trouble for... I want 8+ gig of storage and a Linux OS on MY hardware I
purchased, But I still want to keep the Avmap map data I paid for! There is
no license agreement with in the unit, with the unit, or displayed on the
unit! No agreement in the manual or packaged with the unit in it's
paperwork.

Reverse engineering for knowledge is not illegal...that I am aware of. Now
if I was, which I am not! make the data base public with A broken copy
protection included then that is a different story.

I am just learning how to upgrade hardware and keep and load the data I
already purchased and how to modify that data to make it better for my own
personal use. It happens all there time in the Linux environment to run
software not intended for the Linux OS.

Also reposting all because it did not post to the Linux groups and missing a
message or 2?

This Little machine and it's platform is capable of so much with linux
embeded lots of versions out there to pick but if I an unable to keep get to
keep the original os i am not going to bother!

In rec.aviation.piloting NW_Pilot wrote:
"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
. ..


That is like Microsoft telling us if you want a upgrade your hard drive to
something larger than what hardware mfg has given or is willing to give you
and you want a duel boot your original license you cant. Microsoft sure did
get I hot water when they tried it so what Aamap is doing software mfg's get
in trouble for... I want 8+ gig of storage and a Linux OS on MY hardware I
purchased, But I still want to keep the Avmap map data I paid for! There is
no license agreement with in the unit, with the unit, or displayed on the
unit! No agreement in the manual or packaged with the unit in it's
paperwork.

Nope, you bought a complete system from Avmap, not a pile of software.

It would be more like Apple telling you what hardware to use.

But all that is moot and totally irrelevant.

The mere act of breaking copy protection is a crime under DMCA.

Reverse engineering for knowledge is not illegal...that I am aware of. Now
if I was, which I am not! make the data base public with A broken copy
protection included then that is a different story.

Just breaking copy protection, no matter what you do with the stuff
afterwards, is illegal.

Providing tools or instructions on how to break copy protection is illegal.

All the rest of your post is just rationalization.

Just about anyone can initiate an indictment against you for violating
DMCA; it doesn't have to be Avmap.

You are an idiot for posting this to the world.


--
Jim Pennino

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In rec.aviation.piloting NW_Pilot
wrote:
"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
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That is like Microsoft telling us if you want a upgrade your hard drive
to
something larger than what hardware mfg has given or is willing to give
you
and you want a duel boot your original license you cant. Microsoft sure
did
get I hot water when they tried it so what Aamap is doing software mfg's
get
in trouble for... I want 8+ gig of storage and a Linux OS on MY hardware
I
purchased, But I still want to keep the Avmap map data I paid for! There
is
no license agreement with in the unit, with the unit, or displayed on the
unit! No agreement in the manual or packaged with the unit in it's
paperwork.

Nope, you bought a complete system from Avmap, not a pile of software.

It would be more like Apple telling you what hardware to use.

But all that is moot and totally irrelevant.

The mere act of breaking copy protection is a crime under DMCA.

Reverse engineering for knowledge is not illegal...that I am aware of.
Now
if I was, which I am not! make the data base public with A broken copy
protection included then that is a different story.

Just breaking copy protection, no matter what you do with the stuff
afterwards, is illegal.

Providing tools or instructions on how to break copy protection is
illegal.

All the rest of your post is just rationalization.

Just about anyone can initiate an indictment against you for violating
DMCA; it doesn't have to be Avmap.

You are an idiot for posting this to the world.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Yea, nothing has been broken as of yet.... I still have my DVD tee Shirt
packed away in a drawer some place!

NW_Pilot wrote:

Reverse engineering for knowledge is not illegal...that I am aware of. Now
if I was, which I am not! make the data base public with A broken copy
protection included then that is a different story.


Highlights of the DMCA...


· Makes it a crime to circumvent anti-piracy measures built into
most commercial software.

Breaking that one.


· Outlaws the manufacture, sale, or distribution of
code-cracking devices used to illegally copy software.

You'll break that one if you tell us how to do it.


· Does permit the cracking of copyright protection devices,
however, to conduct encryption research, assess product
interoperability, and test computer security systems.


Doesn't cover what you are doing and I'm pretty sure you have to have
the makers permission.

· Provides exemptions from anti-circumvention provisions for
nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational institutions under
certain circumstances.

Doesn't apply to you.

On 2008-05-01, wrote:
Just breaking copy protection, no matter what you do with the stuff
afterwards, is illegal.

Breaking the encryption for the purpose of interoperability is not
illegal under the US DMCA. In fact, the DMCA has specific wording to
explicitly say that breaking protection measures for interoperability
is allowed.

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The mere act of breaking copy protection is a crime under DMCA.

Even if that law is constitutional in the US,
one billion Chinese couldn't care less.

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wrote:
The mere act of breaking copy protection is a crime under DMCA.


IANAL...

Doesn't the wording of the DMCA also say that the "technical protection
methods" have to be effective to be relevant? Thus trivial or
easily-broken protection (such as on DVDs) does not fall under the DMCA,
not matter what the MPAA might think.

Also note that the DMCA only applies to the USA, not the rest of the world.

And is breaking the DMCA actually a crime, even in the USA? Unlicensed
copying of copyrighted works is not a crime in most of the free world,
unless it is done for commercial gain, or has other incriminating
circumstances. It is unlawful, but not criminal - the copyright owners
can sue you for damages, but you cannot be jailed by the state.

David Brown wrote:
wrote:
The mere act of breaking copy protection is a crime under DMCA.


IANAL...

Doesn't the wording of the DMCA also say that the "technical protection
methods" have to be effective to be relevant? Thus trivial or
easily-broken protection (such as on DVDs) does not fall under the DMCA,
not matter what the MPAA might think.

Also note that the DMCA only applies to the USA, not the rest of the world.

And is breaking the DMCA actually a crime, even in the USA? Unlicensed
copying of copyrighted works is not a crime in most of the free world,
unless it is done for commercial gain, or has other incriminating
circumstances. It is unlawful, but not criminal - the copyright owners
can sue you for damages, but you cannot be jailed by the state.


Sec. 1204. Criminal offenses and penalties

`(a) IN GENERAL- Any person who violates section 1201 or 1202 willfully
and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain--

`(1) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned for not more
than 5 years, or both, for the first offense; and

`(2) shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned for not more
than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense.