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"Bush's drills with the Alabama Guard confirmed"
Bush's drills with the Alabama Guard confirmed
The White House yesterday released military records that it said demonstrate conclusively that President Bush completed the required drills leading to an honorable discharge from the Texas Air National Guard in 1973. at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1217-6595r.htm |
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There's a page on this subject at www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm I'll be updating it on March 1 to incorporate the pay records recently published by the White House. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message ... There's a page on this subject at www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm I'll be updating it on March 1 to incorporate the pay records recently published by the White House. Heh. You might consider adding the video of today's little spat on Capitol Hill, when the Congressman from Ohio tried to snare Colin Powell into the issue during his testimony before a committee. Powell's repeated and forceful, "You don't want to go there, Mr. Brown" was a hoot. It is the first time I can recall seeing Powell appear to be using visible and tenuous restraint--I thought he was gonna bust loose on the guy. The good congressman finally apparently got the message and took Powell's advice. Brooks all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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I thought the main issue wasn't that he served, but that he didn't complete his
obligation of service? During the press conference, the press secretary kept affirming that he had drilled and it was all right in the records he had provided - then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question and I thought, Isn't the guard requirement "one weekend a month and two weeks a year"? I think all of this stuff is ancient history, but its also the politics in America today. Its all about tearing down people instead of finding solutions to problems. That's what makes it all so distasteful - more effort, campaign money, taxes, and most importantly, unrecoverable *time* gets poured into hacking at political opponents than ever gets directed at the long term issues that face us all. v/r Gordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone. |
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"Krztalizer" wrote in message ... I thought the main issue wasn't that he served, but that he didn't complete his obligation of service? During the press conference, the press secretary kept affirming that he had drilled and it was all right in the records he had provided - then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question and I thought, Isn't the guard requirement "one weekend a month and two weeks a year"? Only in general terms. You have to get a certain number of "points" to have a good year (or that is the way it has been since at least the early 1980's). The training calendar is based upon 48 UTA's (unit training assemblies, or weekend drills in most but not all cases--the usual breakdown is four four-hour UTA's per weekend), with each giving a one point credit. Different units and commanders arrange the schedule to suit mission and training requirements; if you have a MUTA-5 (where you show up on Frdiay night in addition to the weekend), you have to take a UTA off of another weekend--it is not uncommon for units to have a month in the schedule with no drills. A reservist also gets one point for every active duty day, including his 15 days (for the NG--14 in the USAR last I heard) annual training period. But some units/personnel break up their AT periods to support mission requirements--you may do a seven days here, and eight days two months later. Some units have "year around AT", where each individual soldier/airman is scheduled to attend his AT based upon unit requirements (common in higher supporting units and admin positions). Then there are the "other" active duty days--"Cut orders for LT Shmedlap to perform four days of active duty next month so he can attend the EEO conference"--at one point per day. Finally, there are flying training assemblies--extra UTA's exclusively reserved for flight personnel to maintain proficiency. And to make things more complicated--yes, the commanders can authorize personnel to make up missed duty periods, either before or after the fact, with "equivalent training" periods--which is apparently what GWB did towards the close of his time in uniform, making up for previously missed duty periods. And no, that kind of treatment is not uncommon--we allowed PFC's to perform ET when it was justified in our opinion. Brooks I think all of this stuff is ancient history, but its also the politics in America today. Its all about tearing down people instead of finding solutions to problems. That's what makes it all so distasteful - more effort, campaign money, taxes, and most importantly, unrecoverable *time* gets poured into hacking at political opponents than ever gets directed at the long term issues that face us all. v/r Gordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone. |
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"Krztalizer" wrote in message ... I thought the main issue wasn't that he served, but that he didn't complete his obligation of service? During the press conference, the press secretary kept affirming that he had drilled and it was all right in the records he had provided - then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question and I thought, Isn't the guard requirement "one weekend a month and two weeks a year"? The 2 weeks is optional. Besides that, Kerry got an early out and then failed to show up for his Reserve obligation. I think all of this stuff is ancient history, but its also the politics in America today. Its all about tearing down people instead of finding solutions to problems. That's what makes it all so distasteful - more effort, campaign money, taxes, and most importantly, unrecoverable *time* gets poured into hacking at political opponents than ever gets directed at the long term issues that face us all. Kerry opened this can of worms and now he will have to live with them. |
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Mike wrote in message om... Bush's drills with the Alabama Guard confirmed The White House yesterday released military records that it said demonstrate conclusively that President Bush completed the required drills leading to an honorable discharge from the Texas Air National Guard in 1973. at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1217-6595r.htm So who will be the first Democrat to demand proof it wasn't GWB's clone that was in the Guard? -- Scott -------- "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE!!! !!" Gov. Howard Dean |
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote:
first time I can recall seeing Powell appear to be using visible and tenuous restraint--I thought he was gonna bust loose on the guy. The good congressman finally apparently got the message and took Powell's advice. The tale is that CP once dropped the bomb on none other than Norman Schwarzkopf - Norm being known for his own tirades, apparently was quite impressed by Powell's seldom-vented ire. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message om... nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ... I thought the main issue wasn't that he served, but that he didn't complete his obligation of service? There were three points of contention that weren't on their face absurd. 1) He took a position in AL working on the Senatorial Campaign staff for a family frend. (Some sources say he was in charge which seems unlikely given his age). So he applied for a tranfer from the TX NG to the AL NG. That transfer was denied, but he went to AL and (one supposes) wokred on the campaign anyhow. It is argued that since he did not return to duty in TX when his transfer to the AL unit was denied, he was AWOL. Sometime later, his commander in TX was contacted because he had not sent in a rating for GWB and his commander wrote back saying the GWB had transferred to an AL unit. Now, if in the opinion of his TX commander Bush was AWOL one supposes that he might have said so. I infer from this that the TX commander gave Bush permission to go to AL in anticipation that the transfer would be approved and either was never informed that the transfer was turned down. THere is no evidence that Bush was ordered to return to duty in TX befor he actually did. Now, if he was paid for serving in the AL guard then I guess that at some point his tranfser was approved even if documents directly confirming that have not surfaced. You have discounted another very real probability; he could indeed have subsequently been allowed by his commander to conduct training with that Alabama unit while still assigned to his TXANG unit--known nowadays as "equivalent training", at least on the ARMG side of the NG house. Happens quite frequently. Even if there was no evidence that he put time in while he was in AL, without evidence that his TX commander had called him back, it would seem that he did nothing worse that take advantage of having fallen through the cracks for a few months. But there is evidence he performed duty in Alabama; though his worst detractors refuse to admit it, he could only have received the dental exam (which record was released yesterday) at that ALANG facility had be been in a duty status. 2) While he was in AL Bush was grounded for 'failure to accomplish' his annual physical exam. THe document I have seen that states this also lists a scond officer grounded for the same reason. Now, I've had civilian physical examinations and never thought of them as much of an accomplishment but there's military lingo for you. Some cite this as evidence that Bush was AWOL saying he didn't show up for his exam as ordered. Problem is, there is no evidence that he was ordered to 'accomplish' that exam. It may be that since he was with a non-flying unit there was no reason to maintain his flying status, but he remained eligible until that date. One of his fellow TXANG pilots has provided a more reasonable explanation--the exams were given at the unit during a particular drill period, and since this occured during the period he was drilling in Alabama, he was not there to get it. The Alababma unit he was drilling with was a non-flying outfit, so would have been unlikely to have had any flight physicals scheduled at that location. 3) He was discharged form the guard a few months early so he could attend school that Fall. That may have been leaving the guard earlier than normal, but if he had enough points to his credit, it surely was not a failure to fulfill the obligation. Exactly. And any way you cut it, his early release was no less acceptable than that accorded to Kerry by his boss so that he could run for office and spend his time trashing the efforts of those who were still in Vietnam. Brooks -- FF |
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