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WOW - Shots fired at skydiving plane in NY...
I believe the "minigun" is the chopper door mounted version of the
electric gattling guns. Arnold was hand holding one in "Predator" and "Terminator II". The weapon that's as long as your aircraft, throws 6,000/min of death is the Vulcan Cannon of A-10 Warthog fame. A mini gun would be the perfect weapon to pod mount on a Cessna. Roger Halstead wrote: On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:54:56 -0400, "G.R. Patterson III" wrote: "H. Adam Stevens" wrote: if my Baron ever gets fixed I think some hard points and a mini gun are in order A mini-gun is about as long as my aircraft and weighs a good deal more than my useful load. I'll settle for a couple of .30 calibers. Yah, and a Baron wasn't meant for flying backwards.:-)) Those things blow out over 17 KG of exhaust gas per second, throw out 600 slugs of over 2# each and spill all that brass (aluminum now) per second. They had to do a redesign as the early test version kept killing the engines with the spend propellant gas. A good craftsman doesn't need a sledgehammer to drive tacks. I at least like the nail, or tack to stay in the same board. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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"Buff5200" wrote in message ... I believe the "minigun" is the chopper door mounted version of the electric gattling guns. No, the Vulcan is a 20mm, the Minigun is .308 caliber. |
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I believe the "minigun" is the chopper door mounted version of the electric gattling guns. Arnold was hand holding one in "Predator" and "Terminator II". The weapon that's as long as your aircraft, throws 6,000/min of death is the Vulcan Cannon of A-10 Warthog fame. The Vulcan cannon is actually the single-barrel cannon on most fighter planes in the US asenal. The A-10 uses the GAU-8 Avenger 30mm gatling cannon. A mini gun would be the perfect weapon to pod mount on a Cessna. Roger Halstead wrote: On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:54:56 -0400, "G.R. Patterson III" wrote: "H. Adam Stevens" wrote: if my Baron ever gets fixed I think some hard points and a mini gun are in order A mini-gun is about as long as my aircraft and weighs a good deal more than my useful load. I'll settle for a couple of .30 calibers. Yah, and a Baron wasn't meant for flying backwards.:-)) Those things blow out over 17 KG of exhaust gas per second, throw out 600 slugs of over 2# each and spill all that brass (aluminum now) per second. They had to do a redesign as the early test version kept killing the engines with the spend propellant gas. A good craftsman doesn't need a sledgehammer to drive tacks. I at least like the nail, or tack to stay in the same board. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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get over it
"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message ... I believe the "minigun" is the chopper door mounted version of the electric gattling guns. Arnold was hand holding one in "Predator" and "Terminator II". The weapon that's as long as your aircraft, throws 6,000/min of death is the Vulcan Cannon of A-10 Warthog fame. The Vulcan cannon is actually the single-barrel cannon on most fighter planes in the US asenal. The A-10 uses the GAU-8 Avenger 30mm gatling cannon. A mini gun would be the perfect weapon to pod mount on a Cessna. Roger Halstead wrote: On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:54:56 -0400, "G.R. Patterson III" wrote: "H. Adam Stevens" wrote: if my Baron ever gets fixed I think some hard points and a mini gun are in order A mini-gun is about as long as my aircraft and weighs a good deal more than my useful load. I'll settle for a couple of .30 calibers. Yah, and a Baron wasn't meant for flying backwards.:-)) Those things blow out over 17 KG of exhaust gas per second, throw out 600 slugs of over 2# each and spill all that brass (aluminum now) per second. They had to do a redesign as the early test version kept killing the engines with the spend propellant gas. A good craftsman doesn't need a sledgehammer to drive tacks. I at least like the nail, or tack to stay in the same board. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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Bob Chilcoat wrote: Not to mention that the 850-lb recoil thrust would stop that Maul cold in a few seconds. Can you say "Stall Warning!"? Ok, I admit to not paying attention, but didn't some thread state that thrust and horsepower are equivalent? Or a 2/1 ratio? Something like that. I have a 160 hp engine. I'd be moving backwards shortly after hitting the trigger. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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pacplyer
One of my last missions in VN. Could hear the super sonic crack of the bullets going by my bird and saw where they came from so 'zap'. Had another earlier occasion with 'troops in contact' and an Army chopper called "Andy" (my call sign) "your taking a lot of ground fire on the east end of your orbit".This was massed ground fire (every one firing their rifle) which was tactic the VC started using '67-'68. We (Air Force) decimated (destroyed) a VC battalion which had been giving the sector a lot of trouble for years. Was a war we won every place but in the media. Big John Point of the sword On 9 Jul 2003 00:33:51 -0700, (pac plyer) wrote: Big John wrote in message . .. The last time I got shot at I put four 500 pounders on the S-O-B. Big John Good for you John, I'll bet they didn't whine much to the liberal press about annoying aircraft orbits in their area after that. ;-) Love it! pacplyer |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
... Ok, I admit to not paying attention, but didn't some thread state that thrust and horsepower are equivalent? Or a 2/1 ratio? Something like that. Nope. Or rather, if some thread did say that, it wasn't correct. There's no single ratio to convert thrust to horsepower. You need to take into account the aircraft's speed as well. I have a 160 hp engine. I'd be moving backwards shortly after hitting the trigger. Well, regardless of the conversion, a 850 pound recoil thrust would certainly hurt your airspeed. Hard to say exactly how much, since it would depend on how long that 850 pounds of thrust was acting on the airframe. Seems to me that there's a pretty good chance the force would just tear the gun from the airframe, or break the airframe. Assuming a structure strong enough to withstand it, you might find you can't take off with your 160hp engine. However you slice it, there's problems afoot with the plan. Pete |
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I came up with the 850 lb from (probably defective) memory. I worked it out
once based on muzzle velocity, firing rate (6,000 rpm) and bullet mass, to see if Arnold or Jesse could actually hold and fire a minigun hand held. I think I ignored propellant mass. IIRC the number was 850 lb. The number that's more interesting (and accurate because it's quoted in a book I have) is for the 30 mm Avenger gun in the A-10. That one produces 9,000 lb of thrust at its maximum rate of 4,200 rpm, which effectively cancels out one engine! I was thinking about a movie plot once where someone would mount an Avenger gun in a full sized van (rigidly, firing forward) to use for some nefarious purpose. Unfortunately, if the van plus gun weighed 9,000 lb, the acceleration would be - 1 g backwards. Might be a problem... -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "Peter Duniho" wrote in message ... "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Ok, I admit to not paying attention, but didn't some thread state that thrust and horsepower are equivalent? Or a 2/1 ratio? Something like that. Nope. Or rather, if some thread did say that, it wasn't correct. There's no single ratio to convert thrust to horsepower. You need to take into account the aircraft's speed as well. I have a 160 hp engine. I'd be moving backwards shortly after hitting the trigger. Well, regardless of the conversion, a 850 pound recoil thrust would certainly hurt your airspeed. Hard to say exactly how much, since it would depend on how long that 850 pounds of thrust was acting on the airframe. Seems to me that there's a pretty good chance the force would just tear the gun from the airframe, or break the airframe. Assuming a structure strong enough to withstand it, you might find you can't take off with your 160hp engine. However you slice it, there's problems afoot with the plan. Pete |
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"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message ...
Not to mention that the 850-lb recoil thrust would stop that Maul cold in a few seconds. Can you say "Stall Warning!"? I'd recommend the XM214 for a Maul. It generates around 250 lb. recoil at top speed (10,000 rounds/min), but can be quite managable at lower firing rates. 1,000 rounds/min is only 25 lb. of recoil. The whole package, including ammo, weighs about 90 lbs. http://members.shaw.ca/stanryker/tes...t01minigun.htm Can you say "Very interesting 337"? John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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John Galban wrote: 1,000 rounds/min is only 25 lb. of recoil. The whole package, including ammo, weighs about 90 lbs. Only 90 pounds? I WANT ONE!!!!! Pull the rear doors off, mount it sideways in the back, and call me Spooky! George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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