"vincent Brannigan" wrote:
| Brett wrote:
|
| "vince" wrote:
| | "Brett" wrote in message
| ...
|
| ....
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| | Try reading your reference again, a military occupation occurred
in
| the
| | 12th Century, your reference goes into a lot of details on what
| occurred
| | from that time until the Tudors.
| |
| | If you read the Statutes of Kilkenny you will see what the
overlords
| | were trying to do. it is a statute for a military occupation by
and
| | for the benefit of anglo normans, not a statute designed to
provide
| | political control by "England" For one thing, it was written in
| | FRENCH, the Norman legal language.
| |
| | It is perfectly correct to say that "England" had little
influence.
| | It is nonsense to say the "English" did not.
|
| Your reference was the source of that exact quote, so while some
Irish
| wanna-be might not agree with his own reference it doesn't make the
| Irish wanna-be correct.
| http://www.rte.ie/culture/millennia/history/0900.html
|
| "Before Henry VIII came to power in 1509 the English had LITTLE
| INFLUENCE over Ireland."
|
| Itimply does not mean what you claim

It means eactly what I said it means.

| the next line is
|
| "Henry feared that foreign or domestic enemies would use Ireland as a
base
| for
| . attacking him. In the past, Yorkist pretenders, such as Lambert
Simnel
| and
| .Perkin Warbeck, spent time in Ireland and got support from the Irish
| lords. Politically,
| . Henry needed to have the country under his control. "
|
| This is completely consistent with a lack of royal control over the
english
| miliatry occupation.
|
| the reference also says in the prior section
|
| "It was vital for the English settlers to have an efficient law code
and
| government if
| . they were to maintain control over the newly conquered country."
|
| To recapitulate . there was a military occupatiion of Ireland by
Anglo
| Norman free booters, who could justify their military conquests by a
| nominal allegiance to the King of England as a personal feudal lord.
This
| put the English invadeers in control of large sections of the country
as
| local miliatry warlords.

Try again by the time Henry VIII came to power those large sections were
small.

| For what its worth I ma descended form one of the key warlords , the
Butler
| family, dukes of Ormonde

So what - it just confirms my comment - you are just an Irish wanna-be.