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"vincent Brannigan" wrote:
| Brett wrote: | | "vince" wrote: | | "Brett" wrote in message | ... | | .... | | | Try reading your reference again, a military occupation occurred in | the | | 12th Century, your reference goes into a lot of details on what | occurred | | from that time until the Tudors. | | | | If you read the Statutes of Kilkenny you will see what the overlords | | were trying to do. it is a statute for a military occupation by and | | for the benefit of anglo normans, not a statute designed to provide | | political control by "England" For one thing, it was written in | | FRENCH, the Norman legal language. | | | | It is perfectly correct to say that "England" had little influence. | | It is nonsense to say the "English" did not. | | Your reference was the source of that exact quote, so while some Irish | wanna-be might not agree with his own reference it doesn't make the | Irish wanna-be correct. | http://www.rte.ie/culture/millennia/history/0900.html | | "Before Henry VIII came to power in 1509 the English had LITTLE | INFLUENCE over Ireland." | | Itimply does not mean what you claim It means eactly what I said it means. | the next line is | | "Henry feared that foreign or domestic enemies would use Ireland as a base | for | . attacking him. In the past, Yorkist pretenders, such as Lambert Simnel | and | .Perkin Warbeck, spent time in Ireland and got support from the Irish | lords. Politically, | . Henry needed to have the country under his control. " | | This is completely consistent with a lack of royal control over the english | miliatry occupation. | | the reference also says in the prior section | | "It was vital for the English settlers to have an efficient law code and | government if | . they were to maintain control over the newly conquered country." | | To recapitulate . there was a military occupatiion of Ireland by Anglo | Norman free booters, who could justify their military conquests by a | nominal allegiance to the King of England as a personal feudal lord. This | put the English invadeers in control of large sections of the country as | local miliatry warlords. Try again by the time Henry VIII came to power those large sections were small. | For what its worth I ma descended form one of the key warlords , the Butler | family, dukes of Ormonde So what - it just confirms my comment - you are just an Irish wanna-be. |
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![]() Brett wrote: " So what - it just confirms my comment - you are just an Irish wanna-be. no, I am an Irish citizen Vince Brannigan |
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