CV wrote in message ...
Nyal Williams wrote:

Hair splitting is entirely in order. You are right
that fascism is a necessary part of communism, but
you can certainly have fascism without communism.

Certainly, and I never claimed otherwise.

You are getting it right now out of TSA.

The bureaucratic aspects of this TSA lark strike me as
a common trait with some of the former (fortunately)
communist systems, hence that comparison is valid
too, as well as the fascist one.
CV

The communism as practiced by Russia until ~1990 and China is very
different from the theoretical concepts originally proposed by Lenin
etc. Kibbutzez in Israel are far closer to the original communist
proposal, yet have no fascist overtones. Ideal communism is everybody
working together for the good of the community. I think that the Amish
practice a form of communism in the way that they work together. I
don't think that the Amish can be called fascists

It is very funny that the Germans of the 1920's and 30's so feared
communism that they went with the fascism of the Nazis - and how that
changed world history.

Apartheid South Africa had many of the trappings of fascism
(especially if you happened to be non-white) but was totally opposed
to communism. The current government is far more lenient towards
communism - the South African Communist Party is an active part of the
government - yet is not fascist at all. There is no merit in saying
that fascism is a necessary part of communism and vice-versa - they
are very different models.

I fear that if the current fears of terrorism in America are allowed
to escalate - a repeat of Apartheid South Africa is a final
possibility, with all its restrictions and removals of personal
freedom for certain classes of people - e.g. Muslims and foreigners.
White South Africans were convinced to allow apartheid based on the
government convincing the people of the dangers of communism. (Die
Rooi Gevaar - the Red Danger).

How does all this affect Soaring? Visit South Africa where the skies
are open, the people friendly, the beer cheap and the soaring
fantastic.

Clinton Birch
LAK 12