"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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Ask for the clearance. You're in violation without it. ATC should know
better.


Yeah, you're in violation of the letter of the law and ATC should know
better. But the controller you're talking to is pretty much the only person
that's in a position to file a violation, and controllers tend to dislike
paperwork. Pressing the issue doesn't seem worth the frequency clutter to
me.