"Ben Hallert" wrote

Please clarify, are you holding the ADIZ pilots up as examples of
people who did things as they _should_?

No, not at all. The poster said everyone should know where every VOR is
along their flight. Kinda obvious that many pilots are not nearly that
competant, since the ADIZ pilots could not handle anything as obvious as
Washington. I would bet that they also had no clue of the VOR's around.

I ask because the poster said
that transients SHOULD know where the VORs are. I'm not trying to be a
jerk, but I'd argue that you bolstered his argument.

Perhaps everyone should, but reality says many do not.

It seems that the ADIZ violators demonstrated that aspects of their
navigation were not as precise as they 'should' be.

Without a doubt. They are just two that got caught. Think of how many out
there don't do anything so obvious, to get caught.
--
Jim in NC