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Old June 9th 05, 10:50 PM
Morgans
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"Ben Hallert" wrote

Please clarify, are you holding the ADIZ pilots up as examples of
people who did things as they _should_?


No, not at all. The poster said everyone should know where every VOR is
along their flight. Kinda obvious that many pilots are not nearly that
competant, since the ADIZ pilots could not handle anything as obvious as
Washington. I would bet that they also had no clue of the VOR's around.

I ask because the poster said
that transients SHOULD know where the VORs are. I'm not trying to be a
jerk, but I'd argue that you bolstered his argument.


Perhaps everyone should, but reality says many do not.

It seems that the ADIZ violators demonstrated that aspects of their
navigation were not as precise as they 'should' be.


Without a doubt. They are just two that got caught. Think of how many out
there don't do anything so obvious, to get caught.
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Old June 10th 05, 02:54 PM
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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No, not at all. The poster said everyone should know where every VOR is
along their flight.


No poster said anything like that in this discussion.


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Old June 10th 05, 10:05 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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No, not at all. The poster said everyone should know where every VOR is
along their flight.


Seems to me, that is implied. If you were buzzing along, and someone made a
call, positioning himself at a VOR, you would need to know where it was, to
know if it was important to you, right? How would you know, if you did not
know where the VOR's along your flight were?
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Jim in NC


No poster said anything like that in this discussion.



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Old June 11th 05, 02:54 AM
George Patterson
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Morgans wrote:

Seems to me, that is implied.


Doesn't seem implied to me at all. The original postulations involved multiple
aircraft approaching to land at an airport. That is a situation in which several
aircraft are known to be at the same altitude on courses which are more or less
converging. Knowing the location of the applicable VOR will tell you
approximately how close to converging those courses are. It's a *real* stretch
to say the same thing about cruise flight.

George Patterson
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and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
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Old June 11th 05, 04:01 AM
Morgans
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"George Patterson" wrote

Doesn't seem implied to me at all.


It's a *real* stretch
to say the same thing about cruise flight.


I guess that depends somewhat on altitude and location of the cruiser.

Ahh, the old odd problem of interpretation. Doesn't really matter who is
right or wrong, only that multiple people reading the same information, see
a different thing. Happens all the time.

I guess that is why lawyers are still around. :-)
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Jim in NC

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Old June 11th 05, 02:54 PM
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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Seems to me, that is implied.


It may seem that way to you, but it isn't that way.



If you were buzzing along, and someone made a call, positioning himself at
a
VOR, you would need to know where it was, to know if it was important to
you, right?


Well, if you're a competent pilot you'll know where it is so that's not a
problem. But if you're a competent pilot you don't buzz along over airports
at traffic pattern altitudes so that's not an issue. How is it you'd hear
these calls anyway?


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Old June 11th 05, 02:49 AM
George Patterson
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Morgans wrote:

Kinda obvious that many pilots are not nearly that
competant, since the ADIZ pilots could not handle anything as obvious as
Washington. I would bet that they also had no clue of the VOR's around.


There's every indication that they had a fair idea of where they were and
intended to be there. They just didn't know they weren't allowed to run the VFR
corridor anymore. They were only a little off course for that.

George Patterson
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