yes... they have to be training received from a CFI
one day, one night, and they have to be VFR.. using the IFR ticket to get
down through the soup at the other end is a disqualifying factor.. divert to
a VFR field..

the idea is that you have planned, flown and navigated to "commercial
standards"

I did mine with a very dark launch one morning.. landing before sunrise at
the other end.
Had breakfast at the airport diner and then flew back in day light.

BT

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does
FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on
these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument
rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing
my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during
either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an
instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be
"training" flights.

Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly?

Regards,
Matt