Commercial certificate question

yes... they have to be training received from a CFI
one day, one night, and they have to be VFR.. using the IFR ticket to get
down through the soup at the other end is a disqualifying factor.. divert to
a VFR field..

the idea is that you have planned, flown and navigated to "commercial
standards"

I did mine with a very dark launch one morning.. landing before sunrise at
the other end.
Had breakfast at the airport diner and then flew back in day light.

BT

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does
FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on
these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument
rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing
my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during
either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an
instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be
"training" flights.

Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly?

Regards,
Matt

I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night.

I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night.

Actually it's civil twilight, which is about half hour the dark side of
sun thresholding, depending on latitude.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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Actually it's civil twilight, which is about half hour the dark side of
sun thresholding, depending on latitude.


The FAA uses different definitions of "night" in different situations. For
purposes of currency "night" is the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and
ending 1 hour before sunrise.

The FAA uses different definitions of "night" in different situations. For
purposes of currency "night" is the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and
ending 1 hour before sunrise.

Thanks. I stand corrected. And cautioned.

Jose
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Jose" wrote in message
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Actually it's civil twilight, which is about half hour the dark side of
sun thresholding, depending on latitude.



The FAA uses different definitions of "night" in different situations. For
purposes of currency "night" is the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and
ending 1 hour before sunrise.



Yes, but this isn't a currency flight, this is a training flight for
logging night flight time, so I think the civil twilight definition is
appropriate.


Matt

you are correct in that statement.. landed at the appropriate timing..
and there still was no hint of a dawn on the eastern horizon

BT

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night.


I think the one hour rule is only for night currency. I believe the
civil twilight definition of night is appropriate for logging night
flight. I think Yodice recently covered this is some detail in AOPA Pilot.


Matt

You are correct. One hour is for night landing currency as spelled out
in FAR 61, but end of twilight is how 'night' is defined in FAR 1.

It is not night landing currency, it is night passenger-carrying currency.
It applies equally to a flight begun more than one hour before sunrise with
a landing in day conditions.

And it is not end of twilight, it is end or beginning of civil twilight.


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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You are correct. One hour is for night landing currency as spelled out
in FAR 61, but end of twilight is how 'night' is defined in FAR 1.