Okay Steve, I didn't realize until just now that you are only talking
about enroute holds. I was applying your comments to all types of holds.
Will you agree that a hold at an initial approach fix will always
include and EFC time?


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven P. McNicoll ]
Posted At: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:49 AM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Newbie holding questions
Subject: Newbie holding questions


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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I'm not understanding your comment about "not expected to hold"
in the even of a radio failure without an EFC time. Are you implying
that as soon as I have radio failure I should begin to execute the
approach or to continue as flight planned or initially cleared? I'm
real
concerned that assumption could lead to at best some heated phone
calls
and at worst a leading story on the evening news.


An EFC was not issued because ATC did not expect any delay, that is,
they
did not expect that an actual hold would be needed or entered. As you
approach the holding fix you're a bit concerned because you have not
been
cleared beyond that fix. So you query ATC and receive no response.
You've
experienced a two-way radio communications failure. Since no EFC was
received you are to leave the clearance limit upon arrival over it.