Ed Rasimus posted:

Juvat wrote:

Jeez...you're reading waaaay too much into Scott's posts IMO. The
original question you will recall had to do with ANG F-102 units
called up. He posited none due to the mission. He was correct on that
score. Yes? No?

Well, I think you're word-smithing a bit here.

No sir...simply reading the question as posted (looking up at the
thread topic). If the topic were "F-102s units deployed to SEA" you
might have a leg to stand on. Honest, I've got the whole thread saved
because the topic is interesting and was going to post some details
that others beat me to the punch.

If we are searching for full unit deployments of F-102,
specifically from ANG units, for SEA, then I'm not sure that there were any.

Respectfully, you do know the answer. None. I will direct you to the
book by Gross...published by the USAF Office of History.

Well, again. Here the question revolves around the somewhat belabored
point of the two political parties in America. The fact is, that the
President probably could have avoide military service entirely. We
have a lot of documentation that his predecessor was successful and
arguably when he was avoiding, a lot less "privileged" than Bush.

No argument...but we're getting off on a tangent I suspect.

Now, as you well understand, Bush went through a full year of UPT,
then the various required USAF survival schools, then full operational
qualification and a couple of years of ANG service flying a Century
Series jet. That seems to me (based on what I know of
single-engine/single-seat aviation) a somewhat hazardous occupation.

You and I have differing POV on what constitutes GWB becoming MR and
maintaining that status. I'll agree he did achieve MR status, but that
as far as I will go...

However, I'm somewhat surprised that you consider he met all his
obligations. Or have I inferred something you are not implying?

Belay that last...it is not my desire to let this thread turn into a
groveling, low speed, knife fight at the bottom of the TRA on ths
subject of GWB...but I can.

This was in a period in which the aircraft which he was qualified in
was continously deployed to SEA. I'd say there was a little bit more
than "ZERO chance" of winding up in harm's way. Again, arguably a bit
more chance than being a body-guarded PIO clerk who spent 151 days of
a year tour in SEA.

And I suspect if the names were reversed you would find it EQUALLY
plausible that the swinging dick that served in SEA had a better
chance of going into harm's way than a guy that was suspended from
flying status in Aug 1972 for failing to take a physical.

The continual deployment (despite the fairly dismal combat
effectiveness) of the F-102 during SEA seems to disagree with your
last statement here.

Fair enough, and fairly close in the details, I believe that F-102s
were gone from SEA by Jul 1970. Yes? No?

I should have posited that had the NVAF threat been deem
greater...there would have been a greater force than four Dets of
roughly 6 jets each. Mea Culpa.

No one thought the Beagles were coming, but there was a lot of
apprehension about a singleton MiG-17 or 21 making a penetration over
Laos into the Thai bases or across the DMZ to Danang. An alert
interceptor force was always deployed.

I'd be willing to speculate that "somebody" in 13th/7th AF thought
IL-28s were a threat. The reason for my statement is simply that I've
read about the Beagle threat perception in CHECO reports, inferred on
my part becasue the reports mention the Beagle being able to reach
Saigon.

Juvat