On 23 Jun, 22:34, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:10:28 -0700, Ian
wrote:

How many gliders can recover from a spin which starts on the winch
launch? I really don't think the Puchacz can be blamed in such cases.

Sorry to repeat myself, but how many primary trainers really DO enter
an unintentional spin during a winch launch with an instructor on
board?

Do you mean how many do, or how many can?

In my opinion a primary trainer (the one that is used for early solo
flights) cannot be spin-resistent enough.

I disagree. I think the glider used for training should spin like a
top. The learner needs to know that this is something which can
happen, can be recovered from, and really shouldn't be allowed to
happen near the ground.

I like K21's, but their lack of spinnability is a mennace. I jave
flown at three different clubs where the message given - effectively -
to student pilots is "Today we are going to learn about something
called a spin. To do that, we are going to need a different glider
from the one you normally fly in, and we are going to have to do very
strange things to the controls." Subliminal message: "This won't
happen to you unless you want it to."

My first spin was in a Bocian - the one I was used to flying in as an
ab-initio, at Portmoak. One day my instructor said "You are flying to
slowly and over-ruddering your turns at the hill. One day you will
scare yourself ****less doing that. Let me demonstrate. I have
control..."

And he proceeded to scare me ****less. So I learned that spinning was
something which could happen to /me/ in gliders /I flew/, doing /
perfectly normal things/ - albeit not very competently.

I do not this a message of "Let's land and go up in a completely
different aircraft" would have made anything like the same
impression ...

Ian