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Old July 1st 07, 05:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:45:02 -0700, Shirl
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Shirl:
The reg is that you can speak, read, write, and understand English.


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
Are you able to cite the regulation to which you refer that requires
reading and writing English?


I admit, I quoted the wrong reg -- that *is* what the reg says,
verbatim, for a US pilot;


Are you able to identify that particular regulation? I am unaware of
an FAA regulation that requires reading and writing English.

I don't know what it says for a foreign pilot
flying in the US on a foreign certificate. Do you?


This follow up article was posted earlier in this message thread:


From: Dallas
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:47:54 GMT

The ICAO will require as of March of 2008, that all pilots flying
internationally and all Air Traffic Controllers must pass the ICAO
level 4 language standards exam for English proficiency.

In this case:
d. handle successfully and with relative ease the linguistic
challenges presented by a complication or unexpected turn of
events that occurs within the context of a routine work situation
or communicative task with which they are otherwise familiar; and

e. use a dialect or accent which is intelligible to the
aeronautical community.

Details:
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/trivia/peltrgFAQ.htm#20



There's a lot of additional information at that link:

In which languages does a licence holder need to demonstrate
proficiency?

Amendment 164 to Annex 1 has introduced strengthened language
proficiency requirements for flight crew members and air traffic
controllers. The language proficiency requirements apply to any
language used for radiotelephony communications in international
operations. Therefore, pilots on international flights shall
demonstrate language proficiency in either English or the language
used by the station on the ground. Controllers working on stations
serving designated airports and routes used by international air
services shall demonstrate language proficiency in English as well
as in any other language(s) used by the station on the ground.

For more information, please refer to Annex 1, Chapter 1,
paragraph 1.2.9 and Attachment to Annex 1, and also to Annex 10,
Volume II, Chapter 5. Please, also refer to the FAQ "Guidance on
the evaluation of language proficiency".


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ICAO Rating Scale for Operational Level 4

A speaker will be rated at Operational Level 4 if the following
criteria are met:

Pronunciation: (Assumes a dialect and/or accent intelligible to
the aeronautical community.)
Pronunciation, stress, rhythm, and intonation are influenced by
the first language or regional variation but only sometimes
interfere with ease of understanding.

Structu
(Relevant grammatical structures and sentence patterns are
determined by language functions appropriate to the task.)
Basic grammatical structures and sentence patterns are used
creatively and are usually well controlled. Errors may occur,
particularly in unusual or unexpected circumstances, but rarely
interfere with meaning.

Vocabulary:
Vocabulary range and accuracy are usually sufficient to
communicate effectively on common, concrete, and work-related
topics. Can often paraphrase successfully when lacking vocabulary
in unusual or unexpected circumstances.

Fluency:
Produces stretches of language at an appropriate tempo. There may
be occasional loss of fluency on transition from rehearsed or
formulaic speech to spontaneous interaction, but this does not
prevent effective communication. Can make limited use of discourse
markers or connectors. Fillers are not distracting.

Comprehension:
Comprehension is mostly accurate on common, concrete, and
work-related topics when the accent or variety used is
sufficiently intelligible for an international community of users.
When the speaker is confronted with a linguistic or situational
complication or an unexpected turn of events, comprehension may be
slower or require clarification strategies.

Interactions:
Responses are usually immediate, appropriate, and informative.
Initiates and maintains exchanges even when dealing with an
unexpected turn of events. Deals adequately with apparent
misunderstandings by checking, confirming, or clarifying.
For information on the complete ICAO language proficiency rating
scale, please refer to the Attachment to Annex 1.


I'd be surprised if it says or implies that ONLY English "aviation phraseology"
is required.


It seems to imply that in the US, English is required:

Therefore, pilots on international flights shall demonstrate
language proficiency in either English or the language used by the
station on the ground.


But I've never seen a requirement to read and write English as you
stated.