karl gruber wrote:

"Matt Whiting" Yes, flaps need power and the 150 just doesn't have it.
The 172 is a

little better, but the 182 really begins to show what flaps combined with
power can do for takeoff.

Matt

A 182 will get in the air shorter with flaps, but Vx is still a clean wing
speed.


If you're manufacturer only gives you a clean wing Vx and Vy. I have
speeds for both flaps up/clean and flaps 20/dirty