(Drazen Kramaric) wrote in message ...
On 23 Oct 2003 03:20:56 -0700, (Stuart Wilkes)
wrote:


What were the numbers of soldiers involved in the two campaigns that
you are comparing. i.e:

Suprisingly equal, Rostyk. I'm suprised you didn't know that.

Post the numbers, then.

Size of armies in the west and the casualties?

Well, the French Army alone suffered 1.9 million KIA and prisoners in
the campaign in the West, while the combined
Franco-Anglo-Belgian-Dutch armies inflicted ~27,000 KIA on the
Germans.

Your numbers are correct, but do not tell the whole story.

Numbers rarely do.

France surrendered because it had no more manpower nor space to continue
the war so all their remaining soldiers went to POW camps.

And the Soviet government did not surrender, nor did it fail to employ
its air force, nor did it fly a suprisingly intact air force to North
Africa.

Had you included only POWs captured prior to cease fire the numbers
would be more correct,

Why? If the French government left assets unemployed and surrendered
them, why should that count against the Soviets?

but would represent argument against your thesis, that
Red Army represented the most efficient enemy realistically possible.

Did I say efficient? Nope. More determined and more effective at
killing German troops? Sure.

In this case, the Germans faced unprepared unalerted, peacetime-strength
Rifle Divisions (~6000 men) far from their assigned battle positions, which
is one of the advantages you get when you do a sneak attack.

You are representing this as 3,000,000 German soldiers appeared out of
nowehere next to the Soviet border.

Was it a sneak attack, or not Drax?

The primary person responsible for Red Army been caught napping

He took a calculated risk on being able to delay a German attack until
1942.

is the man you feel was justified in invading Poland, Estonia, Latvia,
Lithuania and Finland under the pretext of "security in case of German
attack".

I do not believe that the attack on Finland was justified.

Why don't you address that fact for a change?

I have, Drax.

What I don't get is your eternal insistence on either the Germans
being given the opportunity to conquer all of Poland and occupy the
Baltic States.

Stuart Wilkes