On Jan 17, 4:29*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
You gave a perfect example of a MISUSE of the two way radio.
Radio calls like "Anybody in the pattern?" *Or "Anybody on base or
final?" *Or, "What runway are you *using?" are among the many misuses
of the radio............

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Any use of the radio that prevents a midair is not in any way misuse.
Had the Hawker made this call and got an answer from the 29 he ran
into........
JJ


The radio is an aid, it helps to show who is near you especially when
trying to take off or land. Many power pilots who reguraly fly near
soaring operations will make a call in the blind like......GLUDER
GLIDER GLIDER thei is turbo bla bla I'm descending over
the
pine nuts passing 12,000 any gliders in my area? No government madate
told him to do this, he just used is common sense and did it, like he
does when entering the pattern.............or how about prior to
takeoff? Can you see everyone who may be in the pattern? Wouldn't
listening to one of those hated radios be prudent?
JJ

JJ,

You're heart is in the right place, but.....

BTW...I love radios. I install aircraft radios for a living. I use
radio in every glider or airplane I fly. I do understand that there
are limitations of what two way radio for collision avoidance,
however

But, if you want to prevent midairs, you have to use the tools
correctly and wisely.
There are a couple of problems with your radio broadcast above……..
First of all, on which frequency would that power pilot broadcast?
CTAF? 123.3? 123.5?
Would the gliders in the area be on the frequency on which he
broadcast? Maybe the ones in or near the traffic pattern would be on
CTAF but the others flying around would most likely not.
Now the pilots asks a question, a yes or no question, (this is the
improper part)…..He asks, “Any gliders in my area?” Well, what would
you expect him to hear in return?
“Nope, no gliders”??? Of course not, because if there were no
gliders there would be nobody to answer “no!” But what if there were
gliders around, but they did not hear the transmission, or they did
not answer for any of a bunch of reasons (on a different freq)?.……So
now can this pilot assume there are no gliders, because nobody
answered his question? Of course not.

So the only possible answer to this "yes or no question" is
“yes” (So why ask in the first place?)

Let’s say somebody does answer……so it goes like this…(Q)”Any gliders
in my area?”….(A)”yep”….ok so now what?……It becomes a game of twenty
questions…

“Where are you?” “No, where are you? Etc.”

Now let’s say there are 10 gliders in the area, and five of them
answer the radio call, all at the same time!!!! Garble!

Let’s say that three answer and 15 don’t……….See nothing useful is
gained from this improper radio work!

But let’s go back to the beginning………this guy is flying over a glider
operation….he knows this because it says so on the sectional, and the
facilities directory…….so he already has the answer to the dumb
question…….”YES! there are gliders in my area!” (no need to ask on
the radio....just assume there are gliders around!)

I would be just as dumb to fly around asking, “Are there any jet
liners in my area? Or maybe flying over Akron and transmitting, “Any
blimps around here?, please advise”

So how should it work? Big difference.

The pilot should first identify to whom he is talking…….

“Joe’s gliderport….. traffic…..

Then who he is….

“Beechcraft twin N55BC”

Then where he is:

“5 miles east, 14000 descending to 12000

Then his intentions:

“Transitioning your area, 12,000 westbound”

Then shut up and listen and look out the window…………..

That’s all there is to it………..
Other aircraft in the area (gliders or airplanes or whatever)….if they
hear this transmission, will simply decide if it is a factor or not…
If not…they do nothing…..If it is a factor they simply follow up…

“Beechcraft 55BC…..this is glider…..4 miles east of Joe’s…..
12,000…..looking for you.

Done!….simple to the point…..


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So you expect the pilots who fly around in Hawkers to continuously
broadcast, "Any gliders in my area?"