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Old July 11th 11, 07:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Chris Rollings[_2_]
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Default National Records & Citizenship

The FAI set the rules for National Records and they are based on
Citizenship and can be set anywhere in the World. Of the British National
Records only the Absolute Altitude and Gain of Height were set in the UK,
the rest in more favoured climes. The BGA also administers a set of UK
Local Records, these can be set by Citizens of any country on flights
starting in the UK. As it happens I think they are all held by UK Citizens
and, so far as I can recall, always have been ( though, I think there have
been one or two cases of pilots with dual nationality holding one). The
UK Local Records are not regulated by the FAI, they are purely a BGA
thing. Nothing to stop the SSA doing the same thing in the USA, they
already run a set of State Records after all.

Not sure what the FAI rules are on records if there are pilots of two
diffferent nationalities in a two seater, anyone know?

At 13:26 11 March 2011, Tony wrote:
On Mar 11, 3:15=A0am, ppp1 wrote:
On 10 maalis, 22:54, Martin Gregorie
wrote:



On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:27:04 -0800, Tony wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:15=A0am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:
I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to

why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on

th=
e
location of the actual flight? =A0This leads to very misleading
listings of National Records. =A0For example the World Altitude

Re=
cord
of Fossett and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina

but
shows up as a US Multiplace National Record when in fact no
multiplace glider has ever flown that high in the US.

=A0Similar
w=
ith
the 1500 km that Fossett and Delore flew in Argentina. =A0What

was=
the
FAI thinking when they decided to use citizenship instead of

the
country where you start your flight? Surely they had a reason.


Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?


Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll

find
that US national records are the responsibility of your national

aer=
o
club and that they set the rules about who can hold a national

recor=
d
and where, geographically, it can be set.


--
martin@ =A0 | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org =A0 =A0 =A0 |


OK then, why are US records based on citizenship instead of

geographi=
c
location? =A0Although the one thread I did find here on the

subject
s=
eemed
to indicate that the US is not the only country with this

situation.

I never said or implied that the US is the only country to do that:

jus=
t
that the rules for national records will be set by a national body,

not
the FAI.


The UK has a very similar rule. National records must be set by UK
citizens but can be set anywhere in the world. I know of at least

one
U=
K
record that was set in Patagonia.


--
martin@ =A0 | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org =A0 =A0 =A0 |


If Quatemalan 100m sprinter runs under their national record in Japan,
SURE it is Quatemalian record. Right? Same goes with gliding. Some
countries has national records in two categories. Flown abroad and
flown home.


sure but you could run a 100 meter dash in any country in the world
and expect basically the same performance of the same runner. Run a
100 km triangle in any country in the world with same pilot and same
glider and you would expect a large difference in performance.