Make it 40:1 against. * *It's just another example of a highly complex solution to a non-problem.

It's a simple solution -- at x feet MSL, you've landed out. You need
to read the NTSB reports and look at some traces if you think that
landout damage, stall spin accidents, etc. are not a major problem,
and that low altitude thermaling is not part of it.

But I give up for now -- no point in starting a major kerfuffle that
isn't going anywhere.

John Cochrane