deleted text,

"As usual most of my words are deleted, new tactic time though, simply
lie about what has been written. Denyav has decided to go back to
a message I wrote on June 14, bypassing the JN-25 information I
posted more recently. I await with interest his retrieval of information
I sent in say 1990 as another desperate tactic to avoid actually answering.

"I expect him to heroically delete my reply and the heroically repeat he
is repeating his same junk. Two heroic acts means another self
awarded medal."

yes folks, if the theory requires a pink elephant driving a BMW
while towing a trailer upon which a giraffe is doing the hula dance
Denyav will announce elephants go to slimming clubs, wear lots
of pink make up and can drive, while giraffes are native to Hawaii.

Denyav wrote in message ...
Nice to see you in the forum again,I guess you dont work,oops I meant
post,on weekends.

This is becoming very funny, ever heard of a weekend away?
Ever heard of the idea things can wait a few days?

Perfect enjoy it.

This should be good, the attempt to imply I am paid to spend so
much time laughing will no doubt continue.

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Denyav has decided this is my work it seems, which is great, I
will get his address and send him the bill.

Yes folks, Denyav's word is classified by him as Holy writ, no proof
is required. Much laughter generated. I am still waiting for proof
about what I am supposed to have dated the McCollum memo. I
like the way Denyav assumes because he needs to hide the truth
the same applies to others.

No what the people are saying does not match what Denyav is
saying.

Unfortunately what people says,from Churchill to Dulles,from Stimson to
Hoover and countless others is IRRELEVANT for you because they do
not match what you are telling us.

Translation Denyav needs to pretend he has people agreeing with
him even when they do not. Churchill, Stimson and Hoover for a start,
Dulles without any attempt to provide the evidence. "countless" is
defined as Denyav counting himself multiple time, 1, 2 3, many.

You see folks, Denyav has decided where I work without proof and
has to pretend he is a majority.

Did I say "You are a gov' t employee"?
NO.
But your response to that is interesting.

Translation Denyav will continue to try and smear, using his ideas of
insults of course. He has announced he is not paid to push his jokes,
which is not surprising, those who know the truth would not pay to push
lies and those pushing the lies would not pay for such mediocre efforts.

Note now the absurd attempt to try and avoid the fact he has no
long range "what does that person do" device.

Denyav is into self pity. The conspiracy to lie about a conspiracy.

Which reminds me your posts.


The last post was while waiting for a haircut, the person next to me
wanted to know where the site with all the great jokes were since I
was laughing so much. His response when I told him what was
going on, without the adjectives, was "conspiracies are for losers".

As people can see the evidence is deleted.

Detractors sir,nothing but detractors.

Yes folks, if the evidence does not fit ignore it.

Strange that, but Denyav needs to go off and pretend about what I said,
from a post where I gave the recovered code values totals until the end
of 1941, Denyav keeps deleting the totals.

Only after claiming that recovery work had been stopped in March after recovery
of almost 5000 codes.

Simply I never said that, another claim without proof.

As you now say recovery work did stop in March.

Denyav is having trouble coping with the idea the work on the A code
stopped after it went out of service while work picked up on the B code.

BTW 5000 code recoveries in three months is a good performance and enabled
US,as Safford stated enough to read the most of Japanase traffic.

By the way folks Denyav is going to keep announcing he has no
idea about the code, changing recoveries of random numbers
into recovery of the meanings of code groups. The allies knew
around 5,000 random numbers from the 5 additive book, which
ended use on 31 January 1941. They had 300 B code group
meanings assigned by 1 April 1941. Different things.

deleted text, on the idea the failure to change additives compromised
the B code.

"If it did compromise the code values then it should have compromised
the A version as well, yet the USN reports knowing around 5% of the
code values when work stopped around March 1941.

Thanks for a really great laugh, they US recovered around 5,000 random
number additives of the 5 additive book, out of 50,000, the additive book
that had been in use for months before the A to B codebook change over.
This gives an idea of just how little the allies could read in early 1941
since the additives needed to be removed before the code groups could
be looked at.

This is great, this shows Denyav's techniques so well.

Firstly changing the random numbers, additives, into code values.
The random numbers, additives, are used to disguise the code
groups and need to be removed first, no additives no code groups.

Secondly ignoring the fact the "5" version of the code stopped being
used in January 1941 and the USN stopped working on the A version
in around March 1941, since the IJN decided to stop using the A code

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"in December 1940. Just try and pretend I am running some sort of
line the USN stopped work at that time. Above all do not even begin
to understand that Washington was weeks behind current intercepts
because they were mailed in from the Pacific.

Thirdly changing the subject. Move away from the fact that if the
failure to change additive books compromised the B code it
must have compromised the A code, since the US had only 5%
of the A code book when work ended on it around March 1941."

Now your correction comes?

Yes folks, Denyav cannot cope with reality so pretend the story
has changed.

Move away from the fact that if the
failure to change additive books compromised the B code it
must have compromised the A code, since the US had only 5%
of the A code book when work ended on it around March 1941.

Actually work never ended.

So tell us all please what A code values did the US recover in say
the second half of 1941?


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"Yes folks, Holy Writ time, no proof offered about what they could read.
By the way if it was 90% by December 1941 can you explain how this"

percentage went down by April/May 1942, when the allies were trying
to figure out Midway and Coral Sea? Or that the all knowing intelligence
system missed the IJN battleships coming out at Midway and the way
the IJN carriers came into the

Could you tell me, surely you know the story,how US only a couple of months
after Pearl Harbor were able to read IJN messages in entirety.?

yes folks, Denyav cannot answer how come his claims mean the
US could read less in 1942 than in 1941 so it is time to change
the subject.

The reason the allies could read more in 1942 was quite simple,
they had recovered more of the code. I like the idea what was
possible in May 1942 is supposed to be less than November
1941 despite 6 months more work. Oh yes the USN went onto
trying to read IJN messages immediately on 18 March 1942,
it was then they had enough of the code to try this.

Midway is based almost solely on intelligence superiority.
Sometimes you are contradicting yourself.

Yes folks, just announce in effect the US went backwards
in code reading ability in 1941 to fit the conspiracy.

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"How about the fact just before midway the allies were intercepting
around 60% of IJN traffic and decoding about 20% of the intercepted
messages, plus gaining some parts of around 70% of messages.

"As of 20 April 1945 the USN found it had 35,761 additives of JN-25B7,
the version in use 1 August to 3 December 1941, with the probability
several hundred might be bad. So 70% of the additives were thought
to be known, this was upped to 47,500 by August 1945, as part of the
reworking of the messages. As of 1 December 1941 the USN thought
it knew 3,800 code group meanings.

Yes folks, the fact the IJN used the old additive book told the allies
the basic code system was still in place, 5 digit code groups with
valid numbers divisible by 3.

There was no need to worry about basic information like say the
new valid code groups were now divisible by say 2.

Just ignore the new code introduced auxiliary tables, two meanings
for the same code group, and stopped having the code groups in
alphabetical order. Just pretend the IJN radioed the code book
to the allies.

So now the lies begin. Firstly the failure to update the random number
book enabled the allies to confirm the basic system was still in place.
The valid code groups were 5 digit numbers divisible by 3. Secondly
the allies did not have all the valid random numbers, additives, used
to disguise the valid code groups, thirdly the Japanese did not put
out messages containing all 55,000 valid code group meanings in
the two months, December 1940 and January 1941.

If you would like to know the exact code groups recovered it was
"Unfinished or Continuous" [i.e., a running tally]

April 1, 1941: "approximately 300 values recovered"
May 1, 1941: "approximately 400 values recovered"
June 1, 1941: "approximately 1100 values recovered"

uly 1, 1941: "approximately 1100 values recovered"
August 1, 1941: "approximately 2000 values recovered"
Sept 1, 1941: "approximately 2000 values recovered"
Oct 1, 1941: "approximately 2400

Roughly 10000 values according to Safford more than enough
to read the most of the IJN traffic.

This is good, the allies have 2,400 values but the claim is they
needed 10,000. Note by the way how many the allies had in January
1942 below. Denyav will now painfully put 2 and 2 together and
come up with a convenient number. See the tracking of the recoveries
shows why the allies could actually read JN-25 in 1942 but not 1941.

Deleted text,

"Completed during October 1941"
Nov 1, 1941: "600 values recovered" [i.e., a total of 3,000 values as of
this date]

"Completed during November 1941"
Dec 1, 1941: "800 values recovered" [i.e., a total of 3,800 values as of
this date]

"Unfinished or continuous"
Jan 1, 1942: "Approximately 6,180 values recovered"

Remembering some previously assigned values could be changed
by later discoveries.

So by the end of December 1941 the allies thought they had around 7%
of the code book recovered.

By the way people will be happy to know the quote assigned
to Safford (about the number of code groups needed) was
written by someone else, and appears to be related to a
situation in 1943 where units were sending very standardised
messages. Hard to tell exactly given how badly the quote is transcribed.

Translation Denyav chooses to supply URLs with no evidence.

I think anybody with subs.to the Proceeding can access to article.

So Denyav will continue to avoid presenting the evidence.

been
in on the conspiracy right. After all if any arm of the US government
does the same the claim is it was part of a conspiracy.

So this documentary is on Pearl Harbor right?

No,but on a copy cat version of Pearl Harbor.

When did the IJN attack US territory again after 1942?
Where did the new IJN carriers come from?

Willey is like Stinnett, the evidence does not match the claims.

Of course,only official's claims match evidences,because they are
the ones who produce official evidences.

Thanks for admitting the conspiracy people do not match the evidence.

Post war would be easily possible, as part of the investigations even.

No,dont you know some selected senators always meet behind closed doors.

Ah a good laugh does wonders for the soul. Apparently Senators
and Congressman, some major opponents of FDR, failed to make
the evidence public and now this is apparently because they
always meet behind closed doors. Presumably never let out onto
the floor of the house etc.

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"Ah yes, so he kept the secret until he died, allowing the system to
railroad the commanders etc. etc. Dies was a very anti communist
person, the claimed information could be used to discredit much
of the democrat administration even post war, but strange to tell
the claimed information never surfaces until people are dead."

This should be funny, presumably Denyav can read Dutch,
including the Captain's shorthan

You bet.

But fails to provide the evidence.

custody of. Meantime
Denyav quotes the conspiracy custodians, the ones who have
custody of the conspiracy to lie about the events of 1941, people
like Stinnett and Willey

I think you are the conspiracy custodian,sir
Numbers declining but still exist.

Yes folks, delete the evidence and you can claim anything.

rest of the post is deleted text,

"Yes folks, change the subject, since the Red Cross decided to
prepare in case Hawaii was attacked by air they must have been
in on the conspiracy right. After all if any arm of the US government
does the same the claim is it was part of a conspiracy.

Translation Denyav denies the tide is in, the air is just a little wet.

By the way in case people are wondering Denyav is wandering the
conspiracy theory web sites, yet again Mark Willey's one or
conspiracy central, looking for that out of context quote to throw in.
Just type a key phrase into a search engine and see which site
Denyav is copying, watch the typos though.

Yes folks, remember the conspiracy to cause Pearl Harbor must
have happened pre war and that Churchill says all the decoded
messages were released.

In case people are wondering Denyav is mining the conspiracy
site of Mark Willey, the name he dare not utter, presumably he will
endorse the claim the US was trying to lose Coral Sea and Midway
as well and that the US never gave Pearl Harbor any help cracking
JN-25, the unit there had to start from scratch in December 1941.

There are more names to be added from the page if Denyav wants
to continue this line, you know the world is flat because some people
say it is.

Willey is like Stinnett, the evidence does not match the claims.

Which Rhorpe? I presume the claimed messages sent by General
Thorpe. The problem is quite simple, the Japanese diplomatic
system did not know about the attack on Pearl Harbor, rather hard
to credit a cracked diplomatic message with having the information.

Instead what was intercepted was the "winds message" set up,
the open code to be sent if communications were cut telling the
Japanese about who the Japanese were about to be at war with.

See, Thorpe, Elliott R. East Wind Rain: The Intimate Account of an
Intelligence Officer in the Pacific, 1939-1949. Boston: Gambit, 1969.

No, the IJN officers present told people about the communications.
This is the trouble for the conspiracy the IJN keeps shooting it down.

Oh yes, Leib waited until after Hull was dead before telling the
world of his claims. Does this make Hull a conspirator? If so
a stupid one by letting the claimed secret out?

(on the claimed New York article of 8 December 1941)

Yes folks, the article does not appear instead we are left to believe
no one in New Your noticed it.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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