"Actual Oxyclean User" wrote in message . net...

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You need to be a little more specific about bravery when you talk about the
Russians.

Indeed.

Much of their bravery came at the muzzle of an NKVD rifle.

Actually Mark, only a tiny bit of it came from NKVD rifles, since
there was very little NKVD to go around. There was no NKVD when
Zhukov trounded the Japanese. There was no NKVD when Col.
Polosukhin's 32nd Rifle Division gutted 40th Panzercorps at Borodino.
There was no NKVD when Col. Katukov's 4th Tank Bde sliced and diced
4th Panzer Division on the approach to Tula. further examples can be
supplied.

So there's another one of your spiteful lies exposed.

The Moscow panic was brutally surpressed by the NKVD.

Apparently, Mark would prefer it if it had spread. What alternative
was there?

If you didn't work long hard hours in those factories, you could be shot.

Apparently, Mark would prefer it if those factories had produced less.
What alternative was there?

NKVD units were generally interspersed with regular units.

Yeah, around one battalion per Front. That works out to about 1% of
the force.

Anyone not showing sufficient enthusiasm
for marching into a Nazi machine gun nest would be shot in the back.

Yet another spiteful lie. No denying that it happened occasionally,
but it was far from "anyone".

The end of the war did not bring relief

Sure it did. No Germans killing people by the tens of millions, after
all.

but did bring into being the gulag system of slave labor.

Then there is the issue of the Russians that welcomed the Nazis hoping to
get rid of the Communists. Ukranians, although not Russians, were often

A minority were. But from the vast majority, the Germans got nothing
but hatred and opposition. Hence the unsustainable casualties the
Germans suffered, from the very start of the war.

quite happy to see the Germans,

Oh yeah, I remember the staged newsreels of people lined up neatly in
front of villages and then running simultaneously towards German tanks
to greet them. I don't buy anything so hokey, but it's no suprise
that you do.

The reality is that the Germans found the most bitter, determined
resistance they had run into up to that point in the war when they
attacked the USSR.

especially remembering that Stalin's famine
caused about 4 million of them to die.

While Chechans were storming the Reichstag, their families back home were
being deported to Siberia.

And where were Japanese-Americans when Lt. Daniel Inoue was wounded in
the action that got him a Distinguished Service Cross?

Stuart Wilkes