Ah yes the near total erase and change the subject approach, take 7.
Now we are into claims being simply recycled, so be aware around 95%
of my text is simply putting back in the text Denyav simply has to drop,
nothing new here really, apart from the modern quotes. I timed my effort
at 10 minutes plus the 5 minute review before sending. Apart from point
23 below, search for "Hey some original text." as the marker for the start
of non deleted text

The story so far,

1) the claims about the war warning message text, dropped after the
war warning text was actually posted. (the warnings are supposed to
make Pearl Harbor the only target)
2) the use of the character in the Pearl Harbor movie played by Dan
Aykroyd as a source of facts, dropped when it was revealed where
the name came from.
3) claims about the various investigations into the Pearl Harbor attack,
dropped when a list of such investigations was posted
4) attempts to promote the relatively recent congressional request to
promote General Short and Admiral Kimmel as proof of a conspiracy
are dropped, after the text of the resolution is posted.
5) claims about what Admiral Kimmel said are backed up by the URL
of the transcript of the congressional request meeting, Kimmel had
been dead for around 30 years before the meeting. The URL text
does not support pre knowledge of the attack and includes over
statements on Kimmels behalf (inventing 800 to 1,000 extra patrol
bombers available)
6) the claim the only investigation to clear Kimmel is the reliable one
despite the claim the findings and evidence have never been released.
Claim dropped again.
7) The claims the investigations were all rigged because it was one
entity investigating itself. Dropped since the claimed only investigation
to clear Kimmel was USN, the USN investigating the USN.
8) Hollywood is a US "premier quasi-governmental PSYOP organization."
Claim dropped.
9) The claim the US needed Pearl to be attacked, apparently the assaults
on Wake, Guam, Midway, the Philippines and US shipping were not enough.
Claim dropped.
10) The claim MacArthur received warnings Hawaii did not, claim dropped.
The same war warnings were sent to all commands in the Pacific.
11) the claim the "McCollum Memo" was a blueprint for US government
actions, dropped after the memo summary was posted, pointing out
what the memo actually said.
12) the claim McCollum was in charge of codebreaking dropped, his
memo header makes it clear he was in a different area.
13) If you write a book that says no conspiracy you are automatically
said to be pushing the official version, and such versions are claimed
to be wrong. No proof mind you. Claim dropped.
14) The conspiracy pushers cannot lie unless they receive official permission.
That was a good one.
15) There are still some USN intercept files still hidden, claim dropped.
16) The attempt to use Stinnett as a source appears to be dropped,
since the claims are so easy to prove wrong it seems. If you question
Stinnett directly he complains about spelling errors rather than reply.
17) The Lietwiler letter, claims dropped after the key text was posted.
18) Only in Washington are investigations rigged with hand picked
documents. Claim dropped.
19) JN-25 was an "easy" code, claim dropped.
20) Churchill quote meaning, claim dropped.
21) If you know one thing perfectly you must know another thing perfectly
(in an attempt to "prove" 1941 = 2001)
22) The war warnings become a blind rather than identifying Pearl as
the target.
23) Allen Dulles, CIA chief saying they knew in 1941, claim dropped.

Let the laughs begin. Or more particularly Denyav's tour of web
sites looking for irrelevant quotes.

Denyav wrote in message ...
the claims about the war warning message text, dropped after the
war warning text was actually posted. (the warnings are supposed to
make Pearl Harbor the only targe

Naval Court of Inqury exonarated Kimmel because they consider so called War
Message as an attempt to direct the attention away from Pearl Harbor rather
than warning.

6) the claim the only investigation to clear Kimmel is the reliable one
despite the claim the findings and evidence have never been released.
Claim dropped again.
7) The claims the investigations were all rigged because it was one
entity investigating itself. Dropped since the claimed only investigation
to clear Kimmel was USN, the USN investigating the USN.

I like this, the results are secret but Denyav knows all. Organisations
investigating themselves cannot be trusted, but the USN can be when
it investigates itself. Remember in conspiracy theory the story validates
the source, not the source validates the story.

1)Nov.25: Yamamato's Target Pearl Harbor message to the First Air Fleet
intercepted and read

The many times deleted text,

"You mean the one the IJN couriered to the fleet in Hittokapu bay?
You see IJN custom was to send such orders by courier. Things
like making sure the rest of the IJN was not eavesdropping on
such sensitive information. After all any ship or shore station in
the fleet that picked up the message could take a look at the
contents and Yamamoto wanted it to be a secret operation.

The Nurse character in the Pearl Harbor movie told you right?

It is quite simple, when Denyav actually tries to put a source for the
claims up it is shot down, so we are left with claims with no proof."

2)Nov.26: So called War Warning message designed to draw attention
away from Pearl Harbor issued


Deleted text,

"Yes folks, I suppose people are aware of what else happened on
26 November, the transmission of the US terms for negotiations
to the Japanese. In effect a restatement of the original US terms,
ones Japan had already said were unacceptable. The US was
also aware of the 29 November "Things are automatically going
to happen" deadline for negotiations to succeed in Japanese
terms.

Strange isn't it, the diplomats conclude negotiations are off, so
the time has come to send a war warning. Instead the great
conspiracy has to decide because they happened on the
same date they must be related.

Just forget the allies were not decoding JN-25 in November
1941, that the message in question was not radioed according
to the IJN, that intercepted messages from the Pacific came
to Washington via airmail and sea mail, but this message,
never radioed, never decoded, was decoded in real time and
sent to Washington in real time and in an instant the US
organised a cover up, for the people in the Pacific and Washington
and London and the Dutch."

By the way the IJN never used the words Pearl Harbor in a JN-25B
message, it had a geographic designator, remember AF = Midway
and the way the USN had to send the famous fresh water message
to remove doubts about what AF stood for? But do not worry about
this, just assume perfect US knowledge pre war and then they lose
it as soon as war is declared.

3)Nov.26: Merchant shipping routes in Pasific changed so that Japanase Task
Force could sail to Hawaii without being seen by allied Merchant ships.


deleted text,

yes folks, if FDR wore green socks on 26 November that is a signal.
Sneezing twice was the go code. Anything that happens on 26
November is to be considered proof of whatever is wanted proven.

By the way work out the sailing time from the US to the mid Pacific
and note if the US wanted to avoid interceptions the ban needed to
be in place before the IJN sailed. Also note the US did not control
all allied shipping, only US and there were Soviet freighters moving
between Siberia and the US west coast. So much for all shipping.

Above all ignore the fact that the direct route from the US to the
Philippines was dominated by Japanese airbases.

4)But caring US president did not forget to ask Red Cross to prepare secretly
for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor eight days before Pearl Harbor attack.

Hey some original text.

Web site trawl, just ignore the Red Cross in Hawaii had been preparing
for war since March 1941, that 8 days before the attack was the expiry
of the date set by the Japanese for negotiations to succeed and that
Hawaii was the main US base in the Pacific, where you stockpile
supplies.

Conspiracy is wrong word to define Pearl Harbor incident.There is no
conspiracy at all.Everything is honestly and simply planned and many
times admitted.

Holy writ moment it seems. No proof.

"FDR stated that we were likely to be attacked perhaps as soon as next
Monday..The question was how we should maneuver into the position firing the
first shot without too much danger to ourselves.
In spite of risk involved,however,in letting the Japanase to fire the first
shot,we realized that in order to have full support of the American people,it
was desirable to make sure that the Japanase be the ones to do this so that
there should remain no doubt in anyone's mind as to who were the Aggressors"

Henry Stimson,Nov.25,1941

Gasp, Stimson is allowing the Japanese to attack the Philippines,
Guam, Wake and US shipping before allowing the US military to
shoot back. Shocking. No mention of Pearl Harbor of course, but
clearly the absence of an admission is an admission. Conspiracies
come in even numbers, the original and the cover up.

"As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it more
difficult to fashion consensus on foreign policy issues,except in yhe
circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat"

Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard,1997

hey how about that a pluralist society has more difficulty reaching
consensus.

"..the process of transformation..is likely to be long one,absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor"

Rebuilding Americas Defenses,Sep.2000

How about that, peace time military build ups are slower, and you
also do not have the ability to test things in combat, slowing things
down more.

"The other day a reporter friend told me that one of the highest ranking CIA
officials had said to him,off the record,when the dust finally clears the
Americans will see that 9/11 was a triumph for the intelligence community,not a
failure.

CIA agent Baer,See no Evil,2002

This is funny, either the community fumbled the warnings, bad move,
or the community is supposed to have allowed things, very bad move.
Above all he said he said is taken as proof of conspiracy and not an
attempt to turn the situation to advantage. By the way the book makes
the claims the US intelligence system is badly flawed, which makes it
unable to find conspiracies, let alone run them. So an attempt to spin
the result is taken as proof of conspiracies using a book that makes
it clear such a conspiracy could not happen.

Just remember folks, the US is so good it cannot be defeated,
only betrayed from within, the US government sees all, knows all.
The US compensates for this wonder ability by making sure
elected leaders betray the country on a regular basis, think of it
as a universal US presidential hobby.

Denyav has real problems if the above is supposed to explain what
happened in 1941.

I will ignore putting the deleted text back in this time, the McCollum
memo, war warnings text and so on.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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