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On Sep 29, 2:45*pm, Judy Ruprecht wrote:
- * * * Almost all IGC Approved FRs accept the 6 characters permitted for US registration numbers; use FR “set up” software to enter the glider’s registration (“N”) number in the “Glider ID” data field. So if we use the N number in the flight recorder then use that flight recorder for a US contest we might have trouble with Winscore. Winscore keys pilot identity off the Contest Number. Maybe we request a modification and get winscore to read in either contest ID or N Number and output Contest ID. [would need to add N number record to the Contestant data]. Without this change it would be a major hassle to have to switch back and forth between Contest ID and N Number. This could be mutually exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day. Chris |
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On Sep 29, 7:45*pm, Chris Ruf wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:45*pm, Judy Ruprecht wrote: - * * * Almost all IGC Approved FRs accept the 6 characters permitted for US registration numbers; use FR “set up” software to enter the glider’s registration (“N”) number in the “Glider ID” data field. So if we use the N number in the flight recorder then use that flight recorder for a US contest we might have trouble with Winscore. Winscore keys pilot identity off the Contest Number. Maybe we request a modification and get winscore to read in either contest ID or N Number and output Contest ID. *[would need to add N number record to the Contestant data]. Without this change it would be a major hassle to have to switch back and forth between Contest ID and N Number. *This could be mutually exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day. Chris The best fix would be to get the registration # requirement out of the Sporting Code. It adds NOTHING. It's the OO's job to associate pilot, flight recorder and sailplane at the start of the flight. Having N number, serial number or even pilot name in the e-declaration is meaningless without the OO to testify that things are, in fact correct, and this done on the application (which the OO must sign). No logical reason to do it twice. -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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On Sep 29, 6:13*pm, T8 wrote:
On Sep 29, 7:45*pm, Chris Ruf wrote: On Sep 29, 2:45*pm, Judy Ruprecht wrote: - * * * Almost all IGC Approved FRs accept the 6 characters permitted for US registration numbers; use FR “set up” software to enter the glider’s registration (“N”) number in the “Glider ID” data field. So if we use the N number in the flight recorder then use that flight recorder for a US contest we might have trouble with Winscore. Winscore keys pilot identity off the Contest Number. Maybe we request a modification and get winscore to read in either contest ID or N Number and output Contest ID. *[would need to add N number record to the Contestant data]. Without this change it would be a major hassle to have to switch back and forth between Contest ID and N Number. *This could be mutually exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day. Chris The best fix would be to get the registration # requirement out of the Sporting Code. *It adds NOTHING. *It's the OO's job to associate pilot, flight recorder and sailplane at the start of the flight. Having N number, serial number or even pilot name in the e-declaration is meaningless without the OO to testify that things are, in fact correct, and this done on the application (which the OO must sign). No logical reason to do it twice. -Evan Ludeman / T8- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll grant that it seems redundant. I have experience only with Cambridge CFRs, but it takes just a minute or two to change the glider reg number and / or pilot name. If you are making your declaration electronically, you're in there anyhow. I use the Cambridge utility 3UTPC255.EXE from my laptop, or 3UTIQ257.exe from my pda. Unless I'm mis-reading the Badge Lady's post: "...and in any case when pilot, aircraft or task data entered in an FR cannot be verified for accuracy and changed if necessary before take off: - The pilot prepares a written declaration ready for an OO’s signature - On the intended flight date, the OO performs a pre-flight FR installation check and the FR is turned on; a task may be entered if desired - The OO waits a few minutes, then adds his/her signature, date & time to the written declaration - No further tinkering with FR task entry, and make sure the FR remains ON until after landing" Sounds like a paper declaration is still valid, assuming the above procedure is followed. One thing to watch out for if you are making the declaration electronically.... at least on the Cambridge units, I'm pretty sure the power has to be cycled after making the delaration in order for the CFR to log the flight. I'll be a whole lot more upset if they ever get rid of sectors than this bit of administrivia will get me. I've proven to myself dozens of times I can't hit a cylinder @ 16,000 feet without being head down and locked staring at a pda. |
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On Sep 29, 6:49*pm, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:13*pm, T8 wrote: On Sep 29, 7:45*pm, Chris Ruf wrote: On Sep 29, 2:45*pm, Judy Ruprecht wrote: - * * * Almost all IGC Approved FRs accept the 6 characters permitted for US registration numbers; use FR “set up” software to enter the glider’s registration (“N”) number in the “Glider ID” data field. So if we use the N number in the flight recorder then use that flight recorder for a US contest we might have trouble with Winscore. Winscore keys pilot identity off the Contest Number. Maybe we request a modification and get winscore to read in either contest ID or N Number and output Contest ID. *[would need to add N number record to the Contestant data]. Without this change it would be a major hassle to have to switch back and forth between Contest ID and N Number. *This could be mutually exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day. Chris The best fix would be to get the registration # requirement out of the Sporting Code. *It adds NOTHING. *It's the OO's job to associate pilot, flight recorder and sailplane at the start of the flight. Having N number, serial number or even pilot name in the e-declaration is meaningless without the OO to testify that things are, in fact correct, and this done on the application (which the OO must sign). No logical reason to do it twice. -Evan Ludeman / T8- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll grant that it seems redundant. *I have experience only with Cambridge CFRs, but it takes just a minute or two to change the glider reg number and / or pilot name. *If you are making your declaration electronically, you're in there anyhow. *I use the Cambridge utility 3UTPC255.EXE from my laptop, or 3UTIQ257.exe from my pda. *Unless I'm mis-reading the Badge Lady's post: "...and in any case when pilot, aircraft or task data entered in an FR cannot be verified for accuracy and changed if necessary before take off: - * * * The pilot prepares a written declaration ready for an OO’s signature - * * * On the intended flight date, the OO performs a pre-flight FR installation check and the FR is turned on; a task may be entered if desired - * * * The OO waits a few minutes, then adds his/her signature, date & time to the written declaration - * * * No further tinkering with FR task entry, and make sure the FR remains ON until after landing" Sounds like a paper declaration is still valid, assuming the above procedure is followed. One thing to watch out for if you are making the declaration electronically.... at least on the Cambridge units, I'm pretty sure the power has to be cycled after making the delaration in order for the CFR to log the flight. I'll be a whole lot more upset if they ever get rid of sectors than this bit of administrivia will get me. *I've proven to myself dozens of times I can't hit a cylinder @ 16,000 feet without being head down and locked staring at a pda. Sounds like you are using a Cambridge 302, there should be no reason to reboot a 302 after making a declaration. And I would not do that. Basically set pilot and glider info and make the electronic declaration and then don't touch anything. And then make and have the OO sign the paper declaration just in case. Ditto on the thanks to Judy. Darryl |
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Oh, and if you turn any cambridge unit off after making the declaration, it
is dumped so you have to start over. As Daryll said, "Declare it, start it, and leave it alone!" I suspect most other FRs are the same? Steve |
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At 01:49 30 September 2009, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
(yada, yada, yada) I'll be a whole lot more upset if they ever get rid of sectors than this bit of administrivia will get me. I've proven to myself dozens of times I can't hit a cylinder @ 16,000 feet without being head down and locked staring at a pda. Not to worry. In fact, as of tomorrow, Cylinders have been dropped from the options available for Start & Finish. They can still be used at Turn Points, WITHOUT the requirement for all Turn Points to use the same OZ type. (There is still that pesky 1/2 km "Cylinder Correction" penalty, though, for each time the courseline crosses a Cylinder boundary. Judy |
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At 23:45 29 September 2009, Chris Ruf wrote:
Without this change it would be a major hassle to have to switch back and forth between Contest ID and N Number. This could be mutually exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day. Chris Another option, Chris, would be to buy another logger! I only fly with one at a time, but I think I have 9 of them now. All models of old school Cambridge. Notice that Judy made the suggestion of using the gliders serial number. 1-26ers catch a break there! Thanks for the update here, Judy! Steve |
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(Steve Leonard quoted:
At 23:45 29 September 2009, Chris Ruf wrote: ... it would be a major hassle to have to switch back and forth between Contest ID and N Number. This could be mutually exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day. Chris The scorer may have put in some extra time at the 18-meter Nationals to get this squared away, but I recall seeing a number of competitors' IGC files posted online in July, and some did, others didn't include a contest number in the "Glider ID" Field. As it happens, "Glider ID" is the data field IGC Technical Specs for FRs have for years defined as a mandatory "Header Record" for ""the unique registration alphanumeric of the individual aircraft." Given some variation among FR models, the data will appear at IGC file line 6 or thereabouts, preceded by "HFGIDGLIDERID:". The next ten or so IGC file lines are reserved for other mandatory Header Records and below these, Tech Specs provide for a "Competition ID" line, starting with "HFCIDCOMPETITIONID:" This is an optional data field, but most FRs DO provide for it. Perhaps some new equations need to be added, but scoring programs - like the spreadsheet I use for claim evaluation - can parse out anything that's in a predictable place and/or marked by clear identifying text. Judy |
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