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Ever Seen a "Lifter" fly?
Jay Honeck wrote: .... which you can enjoy between sips of your favorite adult beverage! Really? I thought all you stocked was beer? George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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Really? I thought all you stocked was beer?
Well, I was assuming we were all manly low-wing types here. If you want to sip something OTHER than beer, George, I have no objections... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Popular Mechanics or one of those mags had an article on a similar
machine back in the 1960s. It flew, too, but couldn't lift anything more than itself, not even the power supply. I think the enormous voltage required to make it work harder would just end up making a big light show. Dan |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:36:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in Message-Id: %YWQa.72001$H17.21246@sccrnsc02: [Blatant advertisement snipped] If you don't wish to go to the bother, danger and expense of building one, ... You can see it fly here (video): http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/videos/3stlft10g.rm http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm |
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[Blatant advertisement snipped]
It's only an "advertisement" if I'm selling something, Larry. The beer -- and the lifter demo -- is free to all who attend! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Okay, so why is this appearing three times on my newsreader?
-- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "Jay Honeck" wrote in message newshdRa.78805$Ph3.8186@sccrnsc04... [Blatant advertisement snipped] It's only an "advertisement" if I'm selling something, Larry. The beer -- and the lifter demo -- is free to all who attend! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Okay, so why is this appearing three times on my newsreader? -- Jay Honeck It's showing up in my news client also (Outlook Express 6) -- Randy |
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[Blatant advertisement snipped]
It's only an "advertisement" if I'm selling something, Larry. The beer -- and the lifter demo -- is free to all who attend! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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This explains how these lifters fly:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect No antigrav here, sorry to say. -- dave jacobowitz -- jacobowitz73 -at- yahoo.com -- PP-ASEL and EE |
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On 16 Jul 2003 13:38:07 -0700, (Dave
Jacobowitz) wrote in Message-Id: : This explains how these lifters fly: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect No antigrav here, sorry to say. The link you posted above regarding ionic wind fails to account for the effect observed in a vacuum: http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/liftvacuum/index.htm vacuum: according to this analysis there is no resultant force upon the lifter in perfect vacuum resulting from the asymmetrical electric forces, or it is negligible compared to the value in the mN range measured in high vacuum of 1.333e-3 Pa by William B. Stein at Purdue University. (Mr. Stein has measured at least 0.31 mN with 0.12 m long lifter at 17 kV. According to T. Townsend Brown’s letter from February 14, 1973 the thrust in vacuum is linear with the voltage. Since we have used 2.3 times higher voltage and 5 times longer lifter, we would expect a force of at least 2.3*5*0.31 mN = 3.65 mN. Even the higher value of F2 in the second column is an order of magnitude smaller than what is expected, based on measurements and it can not explain the measured phenomena.) Mr. Stein has proved in his paper “Electrokinetic Propulsion: The Ionic Wind Argument” that the ionic wind effect can not explain the phenomena in high vacuum. Since neither the electric forces of the asymmetrical E-field can provide a magnitude of force that could explain the measured thrust in vacuum, this analysis confirms the theory that at high E-field intensities in vacuum an unknown electro-gravity force is responsible for the measured thrust. In the presence of air: most of the thrust is provided by the electric forces between the dense space charge around the corona wire (causing a virtual increase of the wire diameter) and the cylindrical edge of the plate facing the wire. This causes the ion drift process described by Evgenij Barsoukov. Although the basic principles in his theory are correct, the quantitative analysis was based on unrealistic assumptions and the derived formula is not valid (it is not in conformity with the measurement results). Even if we could find a good approximate formula for this thrust based on ion drift process, it still assumes the validity of Newton’s 3rd law; that means this force would be ineffective if the lifter would be fixed within a completely sealed box. --------------------------------------------------------------- Here's another interesting device that should interest an EE: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm In contrast to the common Hertzian transverse vector waves, scalar waves travel, or rather materialize at the receiving end, at superluminal velocities. Scalar waves also quite effectively penetrate trough objects, such as a Faraday Shield, which would stop an ordinary electromagnetic (Hertzian type) wave. At least the EE who showed it to me was convinced that it was a viable starting point for an underwater communications device. He should know, that's his business. Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with any of this stuff or the web sites. It all looks like crackpot "science" to me, but I'm no expert. |
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