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Old September 18th 13, 05:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
RuudH
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Default Butterfly display (displaying a big red logo under normal flight conditions)

Hello all,
The Butterfly screen that indicates Flarm or PowerFlarm operation is normal, but is not receiving other traffic within range, is depicted on https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...no-traffic.png.
A big red indication (butterfly logo) that is not described in the manual.

A big red indication usually is an indication of any abnormal situation in a cockpit, especially in a cockpit of a power-plane.
For this reason I have asked the developers of Butterfly to remove the big red butterfly from the screen during flight, because it's distracting pilot's attention.
This is the answer that I received a few days ago from Butterfly:

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Aktualisiert von: Joachim Fetzer, 16. Sep 09:11 (CEST):
Hello Ruud,

thanks for your email.

We know that a red logo is not optimal in an aircraft cockpit but it´s the logo of our company. We will not remove it, sorry.

For any questions we are happy to assist you.

Best wishes,
Joachim Fetzer
AIR Store
Butterfly Avionics GmbH & Garrecht Avionik GmbH
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Obviously displaying their logo is more important than an optimal indication in a cockpit...
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Old September 18th 13, 05:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Butterfly display (displaying a big red logo under normal flight conditions)

Boh oh oh oh gus. (Does that translates to Slovenian?)
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Old September 18th 13, 06:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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RuudH wrote, On 9/18/2013 9:06 AM:
Hello all, The Butterfly screen that indicates Flarm or PowerFlarm
operation is normal, but is not receiving other traffic within range,
is depicted on
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...no-traffic.png.


A big red indication (butterfly logo) that is not described in the manual.

A big red indication usually is an indication of any abnormal
situation in a cockpit, especially in a cockpit of a power-plane. For
this reason I have asked the developers of Butterfly to remove the
big red butterfly from the screen during flight, because it's
distracting pilot's attention. This is the answer that I received a
few days ago from Butterfly:

-------------------------------------------------------------
Aktualisiert von: Joachim Fetzer, 16. Sep 09:11 (CEST): Hello Ruud,

thanks for your email.

We know that a red logo is not optimal in an aircraft cockpit but
it´s the logo of our company. We will not remove it, sorry.

For any questions we are happy to assist you.

Best wishes, Joachim Fetzer AIR Store Butterfly Avionics GmbH &
Garrecht Avionik GmbH
-------------------------------------------------------------

Obviously displaying their logo is more important than an optimal
indication in a cockpit...


I don't look at the screen until I hear a beep, which means the red
butterfly has been replaced with a "threat alert", or at least a
potential threat alert.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
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Old October 14th 13, 12:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
RuudH
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Default Butterfly display (displaying a big red logo under normal flight conditions)

Op woensdag 18 september 2013 18:06:24 UTC+2 schreef RuudH:
Hello all,

The Butterfly screen that indicates Flarm or PowerFlarm operation is normal, but is not receiving other traffic within range, is depicted on https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...no-traffic.png.

See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxbR...layer_embedded
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Old October 16th 13, 04:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Marc - Butterfly Avionics
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Default Butterfly display (displaying a big red logo under normal flight conditions)

See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxbR...layer_embedded

Thanks Ruud for the feedback, seriously. See, we *really* love our logo, but we will find a solution. Technically you are of course right.

Regarding readability: The video shows how it looks when installed good.

Cheers
Marc

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Old March 14th 14, 12:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
RuudH
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Op woensdag 16 oktober 2013 17:16:07 UTC+2 schreef Marc - Butterfly Avionics:
See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxbR...layer_embedded


Thanks Ruud for the feedback, seriously. See, we *really* love our logo, but we will find a solution. Technically you are of course right.

Regarding readability: The video shows how it looks when installed good.

Cheers
Marc



Marc has send me an update of the firmware.
This is how it looks now

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...kbutterfly.jpg

I see this as an improvement, because you can much better make the distinction between red and green without a large red logo beside the TX and GPS indication.

Next step is growing up and getting rid of all non-essential information?
Or maybe paying some extra money to get rid of commercials like in some iPhone apps?

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Old March 16th 14, 04:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Would also be helpful if the time will show local time instead of GMT.

Ramy
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Old March 17th 14, 04:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Butterfly display (displaying a big red logo under normal flight conditions)

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:37:05 AM UTC-6, Ramy wrote:
Would also be helpful if the time will show local time instead of GMT.



Ramy


or both?
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Old October 15th 13, 03:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I can't see my Butterfly Display most of the time, as a result I only look at it when the circle of death pops up. Other than that one function I find it almost worthless. From what I can discern I'm not the only dissatisfied customer, the trade in value is zero. The LXNAV FlarmView appears to be a better product. Maybe the Butterfly guys should branch out into Graphic design services since that is what they seem to be the most proud of. Does it work better if you keep your hand on it during launch? Maybe the dim display is the result of global warming. Or it could be the result of some right wing extremist plot. All they need is better marketing, that will fix it right up.

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Old October 15th 13, 04:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Juanman
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Default Butterfly display (displaying a big red logo under normal flight conditions)

On Monday, October 14, 2013 10:03:07 PM UTC-4, SF wrote:
I can't see my Butterfly Display most of the time, as a result I only look at it when the circle of death pops up. Other than that one function I find it almost worthless. From what I can discern I'm not the only dissatisfied customer, the trade in value is zero. The LXNAV FlarmView appears to be a better product. Maybe the Butterfly guys should branch out into Graphic design services since that is what they seem to be the most proud of. Does it work better if you keep your hand on it during launch? Maybe the dim display is the result of global warming. Or it could be the result of some right wing extremist plot. All they need is better marketing, that will fix it right up.


I agree, it is a very poorly designed display. It's so dark that with sunglasses on I can't see anything. And the letters/numbers are still very small. Fortunately I connected the PowerFlarm to my Oudie where I can clearly see the other Flarm equipped gliders and receive a legible warning when necessary. I also have it connected to the SN10 which tells me in what direction to look for the oncoming traffic.

 




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