The New ATC: 4 Dimension Trajectory

Pilots, prepare to lose some sovereignty over your flights:

http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=2/13/2006
As airplane travel is becoming more frequent, air traffic is said to
double in the next coming years. A new system called 4DT (4 Dimension
Trajectory) will soon replace current ones. It includes state of the
art technology in which air traffic controllers will have more control
over planes prior to landing...
Video: http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=2/13/2006#

Mo
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?_ad...icp=1&.intl=us

A new system called 4DT (4 Dimension
Trajectory) will soon replace current ones.

Gee, it has a nifty name and everything. Must be real.

Jose
--
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ATC needs to be renamed Air Traffic Coordination, they don't
control anything. That said, these systems are designed for
airlines at the major terminals and then forced on
everybody.

If computers and remote sensing work properly, all flights
outside of Class B could be self-monitored and cleared. But
that doesn't support the staff now working.


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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
|
| Pilots, prepare to lose some sovereignty over your
flights:
|
| http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=2/13/2006
| As airplane travel is becoming more frequent, air traffic
is said to
| double in the next coming years. A new system called 4DT
(4 Dimension
| Trajectory) will soon replace current ones. It includes
state of the
| art technology in which air traffic controllers will have
more control
| over planes prior to landing...
| Video:
http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=2/13/2006#
|
| Mo
|
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?_ad...icp=1&.intl=us

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:08:50 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
wrote in
ImITf.118378$QW2.2559@dukeread08::


... That said, these systems are designed for airlines at
the major terminals and then forced on everybody.

Well, if Boeing and LockMart play it right, they'll be awarded the FAA
ATC contract, establish departure, en route and approach fees, and
then automate the entire operation with synthetic speech and airliner
data links without revising the fee schedule. They'll make a fortune,
unless there is a surge in mishaps or liability suits.

If computers and remote sensing work properly, all flights
outside of Class B could be self-monitored and cleared.

There's little doubt, that's the plan.

But that doesn't support the staff now working.

That's not an issue. ATC staffing will be subcontracted to India or
Dubai. It's the 21st century after all. :-)

Oh, no, Arabs running air ports, they will be a security
risk, terrorism, national shame, political hype, media
outrage, yellow journalism, what will we do... turn your
transponder OFF and fly at 25 feet in a rag and tube
airplane and they'll never find you if you stay away from
terminal areas. ATC radar operate in secondary mode, avoid
military radars and go where you want.


Or join the AOPA and EAA and stay in contact with your
Congressman. Politics is not a bad word.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:08:50 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote in
| ImITf.118378$QW2.2559@dukeread08::
|
|
| ... That said, these systems are designed for airlines at
| the major terminals and then forced on everybody.
|
| Well, if Boeing and LockMart play it right, they'll be
awarded the FAA
| ATC contract, establish departure, en route and approach
fees, and
| then automate the entire operation with synthetic speech
and airliner
| data links without revising the fee schedule. They'll
make a fortune,
| unless there is a surge in mishaps or liability suits.
|
| If computers and remote sensing work properly, all
flights
| outside of Class B could be self-monitored and cleared.
|
| There's little doubt, that's the plan.
|
| But that doesn't support the staff now working.
|
| That's not an issue. ATC staffing will be subcontracted
to India or
| Dubai. It's the 21st century after all. :-)

"Jim Macklin" wrote \

Politics is not a bad word.

Oh, yes it is. It is the politicians, and the lobbyist that have made it a
bad word. The press needs to take it's share of blame, too. What normal,
good person would want to go into politics, and have every aspect of their
life exposed, and their past dug into?

Unfortunately, it *is* the only way to deal with what is out there. We do
need to use AOPA's limited powers of persuation, to swing things in our
favor.

I fear it is too little, too late.

Another bad word is Economics.

Instead of trying to keep the price of flying from going up, we need to get
the price of flying going down, and down dramatically. Most average people
with any kind of obligations, and other responsibilities that require
financial outlay, can simply not afford to get into flying. Cut the price
of hourly wet plane rental (or club participation) in half, and you would
start to get significantly more people participating in flying.
--
Jim in NC

Larry Dighera skrev:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:08:50 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
But that doesn't support the staff now working.

That's not an issue. ATC staffing will be subcontracted to India or
Dubai. It's the 21st century after all. :-)

I heard China is going to double it's traffic in the next five years and
they lack qualified ATCs.


L.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:00:39 +0100, "Leonard Milcin Jr."
wrote in ::

Larry Dighera skrev:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:08:50 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
But that doesn't support the staff now working.

That's not an issue. ATC staffing will be subcontracted to India or
Dubai. It's the 21st century after all. :-)

I heard China is going to double it's traffic in the next five years and
they lack qualified ATCs.

That's the beauty of ATC; the majority of it can be done from any
developed location on Earth.

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

That's not an issue. ATC staffing will be subcontracted to India or
Dubai. It's the 21st century after all. :-)

Don't laugh, it may happen. To a certain extent, it really doesn't matter
if the guy controlling your flight is sitting in a dark room 200 miles away
or 8000 miles away.

Jim Macklin wrote:

ATC needs to be renamed Air Traffic Coordination, they don't
control anything.

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