Moving violation..NASA form?

I wonder if it's dependant on whether the aiport has a radar feed or not. I
know that Ithaca does not, so may be requesting that you are clear. Airports
that either have there own radar, or have a feed from a nearby airport,
already know when you are clear.
-Steve

"ZikZak" wrote in message
...
On 11/3/03 3:35 PM, in article
, "John Galban"
wrote:

My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class
D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the
class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during
busy periods.


That's interesting. Where I learned to fly (ITH), the tower controllers
routinely instructed pilots to "report clear of the Class D airspace."
Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

Steve wrote:
I wonder if it's dependant on whether the aiport has a radar feed or not. I
know that Ithaca does not, so may be requesting that you are clear. Airports
that either have there own radar, or have a feed from a nearby airport,
already know when you are clear.
-Steve

I think not having a radar at the tower is exactly the reason the tower
wants to know your position and then grants "Changing frequency".
SAF is Class D and doesn't have radar, thus the ATC folks request to
report 5nm out and then tell you that "change of frequency approved".

Chris


"ZikZak" wrote in message
...

On 11/3/03 3:35 PM, in article
m, "John Galban"
wrote:


My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class
D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the
class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during
busy periods.


That's interesting. Where I learned to fly (ITH), the tower controllers
routinely instructed pilots to "report clear of the Class D airspace."
Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

Personally I would not file a form unless asked to.
I have seen alot of bone head mistakes and heard alot of bone head mistakes
while flying into airports and waiting to depart. I am willing to bet everyone
has made a bone head mistake. The thing about mistakes is to realize you made it
and not do it again.
If ever in doubt, ask, who cares if it ****es off the controller, its alot
better then having an accident. I have been told to stop where I was at, turn
around and go the opposite direction several times, I have forgot to completly
secure my door before take off causing me to land so I can close it. I have
clipped the class B over las vegas lots of times. One day a controller at LAS,
when I called for clearance into the class B, told me "well your already inside
the class B you might as well contine"

I would just chalk it up to learning, slap yourself on the head and not forget
it. If you write a report for every little thing you do, you may has well keep a
stack of them on file.

As for calling in when departing, if your unsure of how they normally operate,
make a simple short radio call, "cherokee 47891 frequency. change"
give him about 30-45 seconds to respond, if he does not, change.


Nasir wrote:

I recently got my PPL and went for my first x-country with my wife.

I trained at an uncontrolled field and going to a controlled field always
was a little more challenging for me. Anyway all went well on our trip to
the class-D airport. We got the courtesy car, went to have the $100
hamburger..all in all it went great!

On our return trip however, I screwed up. This particular airport does not
have a separate ground frequency..tower is also the ground controller. After
I started up the plane, for some very stupid reason I assumed that since
there is no separate ground controller, I did not need permission to taxi to
the active (I know, its unbelievably stupid!). I tuned ATIS, figured out the
active, tuned to tower and without saying anything, I started to taxi to it.
I was not going to get onto the runway or cross any runwyas and would have
definetly asked permission but did not ask for taxi clearance.

The tower called me and told me to "STOP". I hit the brakes and responded to
their call. They asked me what I was doing. I sheepishly said I am taxing to
active. The guy tells me its a controlled field and I am required to ask
permission before I can taxi. I acknowledged. He asked where I was headed
and I told him. He cleared me to taxi to the runway.

While getting to the active, I came across another runway that was closed,
but since the guy had chewed me out before I decided to ask anyway. He told
me I had already crossed the hold-short line so yeah go ahead! I taxi all
the way to the active, he cleared me to depart and go to my heading.

Now I know I screwed up with not asking for taxi clearance but I believe I
did not need his permission to cross the other runway since 1, it was
closed, and 2, he had cleared me to taxi to the active which means I can
cross any runways on the way!

Anyway, he never asked me to "call the tower" or anything. I am wondering if
I am in trouble? Should I file that nasa form? I talked to my instructor and
was told it was no big deal since they never asked me to call the tower and
did not mention any action would be taken, but I still concerned.

Should I be worried? Others been in this situation?

thanks.

PS: posted this in the student newgroup too so others can learn. When in ANY
DOUBT, ASK!

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:36:17 -0800, Jeff wrote in
Message-Id: :

Personally I would not file a form unless asked to.

Who would ask you to file a NASA form?

On 11/5/03 12:36 AM, in article , "Jeff"
wrote:

Personally I would not file a form unless asked to.

Who would ever ask you to file a NASA form?? There is no downside to
reporting a safety issue or accidental violation. There is a lot of upside,
both to you and to GA as a whole.


If ever in doubt, ask, who cares if it ****es off the controller, its alot
better then having an accident. I have been told to stop where I was at, turn
around and go the opposite direction several times, I have forgot to completly
secure my door before take off causing me to land so I can close it. I have
clipped the class B over las vegas lots of times. One day a controller at LAS,
when I called for clearance into the class B, told me "well your already
inside
the class B you might as well contine"

You busted class B multiple times to the extent that you got chewed out by a
controller and never filed a NASA report??

I would definitely have filed for that, and maybe for the times when you
seem to have taken a wrong turn on the tarmac, depending on whether there
was a safety or security issue involved. When you file an ASRS report,
you're getting free violation insurance and helping to improve flight safety
for all of us.

In article , ZikZak
wrote:

If ever in doubt, ask, who cares if it ****es off the controller, its alot
better then having an accident. I have been told to stop where I was at,
turn
around and go the opposite direction several times, I have forgot to
completly
secure my door before take off causing me to land so I can close it. I have
clipped the class B over las vegas lots of times. One day a controller at
LAS,
when I called for clearance into the class B, told me "well your already
inside
the class B you might as well contine"

You busted class B multiple times to the extent that you got chewed out by a
controller and never filed a NASA report??


I'm wondering why after busting class B multiple times he didn't get
some remedial training on how to read a map.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ...
"Robert Moore" wrote in message
. 8...
No Peter, they wrote the rule to keep 25-30 aircraft at the
"hub" push time at the gate and off the ramps and taxiways.

How does the rule accomplish that? Wouldn't it make more sense to write a
rule that requires an aircraft to stay put and leave the question of engine
start up to the pilot? How does requiring contact with the tower prior to
engine start prevent an aircraft from being towed by a tug?

FWIW, most of the bigger class C & B airports I've visited have a
note on ATIS requiring the big jets to contact ground before pushback.
Never heard any mention of engine start.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Jeff wrote in message ...
Personally I would not file a form unless asked to.

????
snip

The thing about mistakes is to realize you made it
and not do it again.

Excellent advice.
snip

I have
clipped the class B over las vegas lots of times.

See previous quote.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)