Run-in with Chicago Center

Jay Honeck wrote:

We both spend our time in high stress (though for totally different
reasons!) environments, and IFR flying is simply too much like work to be
fun.

There ya go! On the rare occasions when I leave the ground these days, the last thing
I want to do is worry over the idiosyncrasies of holding patterns and the like.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:


Jay Honeck wrote:

We both spend our time in high stress (though for totally different
reasons!) environments, and IFR flying is simply too much like work
to be
fun.

There ya go! On the rare occasions when I leave the ground these days,
the last thing
I want to do is worry over the idiosyncrasies of holding patterns and
the like.

Aw shoot, all these hours I've been flying IFR I thought I was having
fun.

Silly me; guess I'll have to give it up, now.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

in article xEvVc.25771$Fg5.13033@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck at
wrote on 8/20/04 4:17 PM:


I did not find that my VFR skills deteriorated during my IFR training --
although I did discover that my ability to maintain altitude and heading
precisely certainly improved. In fact, I became a sharper pilot all around
during my training.

What aspects deteriorate, in your opinion?

I'm about 20 hours into my IFR training, and just speaking for myself, I've
found that my landings have suffered. I find it very difficult to be under
the hood for an hour or more, then be told to "look up" just short of the
threshhold, and execute a decent landing. The sudden transition from IFR to
VFR is jarring to me, though I've been slowly improving.

On the rare occasions when I leave the ground these days,
the last thing
I want to do is worry over the idiosyncrasies of holding patterns and
the like.

Well, you've just let the real meat of it all slip out. If flying is such a
rare occasion, then by all means spend it VFR,
and enjoying being where you are, and doing what you do.

Flying isn't a rare occasion for me--I am up
flying VFR at least 3 times a week . . . whenever weather is suitable for me to
work.



www.Rosspilot.com

I'm about 20 hours into my IFR training, and just speaking for myself,
I've
found that my landings have suffered. I find it very difficult to be under
the hood for an hour or more, then be told to "look up" just short of the
threshhold, and execute a decent landing. The sudden transition from IFR
to
VFR is jarring to me, though I've been slowly improving.

Yeah, I remember that.

That problem ultimately went away -- although I'm sure it would happen to me
now again, if I were to get back into instrument training.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:txMVc.15749$9d6.9018@attbi_s54...
I'm about 20 hours into my IFR training, and just speaking for myself,
I've
found that my landings have suffered. I find it very difficult to be
under
the hood for an hour or more, then be told to "look up" just short of
the
threshhold, and execute a decent landing. The sudden transition from IFR
to
VFR is jarring to me, though I've been slowly improving.

Yeah, I remember that.

That problem ultimately went away -- although I'm sure it would happen to
me
now again, if I were to get back into instrument training.

If you're being told to look up "just short" of the threshold, something's
not right.

Both styles of flying can be fun. If you're worried about the loss of VFR
skills after the IA rating (and I was, as it happens), then you've nothing
to fear: just hop into commercial maneuvers.

Who has as much fun as we do?

- Andrew

(Hankal) wrote in message ...
This whole thing could have easily blown way out of
proportion, with the "left hand not knowing what the right hand was
doing" -- and I might well have gotten a letter about it at some later
date -- when it would have been MUCH harder to prove (or disprove) anything.

Would not have happened if you filed IFR.

Now there's a good one!

No question you're generally much better covered under IFR than VFR
flight following, but if you think that voice on the radio never goofs
up and loses track of what's going on...

-cwk.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:D2zUc.315580$JR4.141514@attbi_s54...

Whew! Imagine if I had simply opted not to call Cedar Rapids Approach for
flight following? This whole thing could have easily blown way out of
proportion, with the "left hand not knowing what the right hand was
doing" -- and I might well have gotten a letter about it at some later
date -- when it would have been MUCH harder to prove (or disprove) anything.

If thy're that motivated to screw with you, one would think they'd
make sure to put the tapes aside, and then you're home free.

OTOH, my old CFII did have a run-in transitioning Norwood MA (OWD) at
1800' under the Boston Class B 2000' shelf. OWD cleared him but BOS
called when he landed at BED 15 miles away. They said, "You can't do
that, it's Class D." He said, "OWD cleared me, so yes I can." They
said, "there's big towers out there you could hit, he said, "yeah, but
I've been flying here for 20 years and know right where they all are."
They said, "well, we don't think people should be doing that," to
which he replied, "you're the FAA, if you don't like the way the
airspace is set up up, then go ahead and change it."

-cwk.

in article , Tom S. at
wrote on 8/21/04 2:37 PM:


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:txMVc.15749$9d6.9018@attbi_s54...
I'm about 20 hours into my IFR training, and just speaking for myself,
I've
found that my landings have suffered. I find it very difficult to be
under
the hood for an hour or more, then be told to "look up" just short of
the
threshhold, and execute a decent landing. The sudden transition from IFR
to
VFR is jarring to me, though I've been slowly improving.

Yeah, I remember that.

That problem ultimately went away -- although I'm sure it would happen to
me
now again, if I were to get back into instrument training.

If you're being told to look up "just short" of the threshold, something's
not right.

Please elaborate.