Another Cirrus Down

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

So for the student pilots reading this...don't do stupid things.

To a point. However, in the end we are all responsible adults. We are
fortunate that the gov't still allows us to be responsible in aviation.
We could live in a horrible world where the FAA regulated everything to
a point this accident can't happen. Having the freedom to make your own
decisions and choices carries with it the ability to hurth yourself. I,
for one, am thankful that I live in a county where I still have the
freedom to hurt myself.

-Robert

As long as you only hurt yourself I agree.

Ron Lee

I wonder how easy it is to get to the chute handle while the plane is
plunging out of control. I once slipped out of a 4 point harness while
doing inverted spins and found it very, very difficult to get to the
rudders to stop the spin. I wonder if the forces of a plunging Cirrus
could make it hard to get out. In the military there are always a
couple ways to eject partially for this reason.

-Robert, CFI

Aw, c'mon. There must be SOMEthing out there you don't know. 8)
And that would make you a student!

Or was what my Air Force Pilot Dad said about Navy pilots correct?
(real big grin)

(He was a pilot back in the 40s through 60s. He had many stories, some
of which I learned from in later years after I got my own license. A
couple of his best, scariest, funniest stories did happen to involve
navy pilots.
Later I went into the navy myself {forced in by the draft} While I
absolutely hated the navy, I did have to admit one thing with no
reluctance. Every time my Dad took off, he came home to the same or
similar airport. When the navy carrier pilots came home, the ship had
moved, was pointed some other direction, was changing in altitude
during the landing, and grade wasn't stable either. And to top it off,
the strip was really, really short. ANY pilot has to respect THOSE
guys.)

SSSHHHHH. They lawyers will hear you.

wrote

Please give me the wisdom to realize whats stupid. I believe stupid is a
slippery slope.

That's an easy one.

If you have to stop and think, deciding if it is stupid or not, it is
probably stupid! g
--
Jim in NC

wrote:
Aw, c'mon. There must be SOMEthing out there you don't know. 8)
And that would make you a student!

Not so. By definition, students are studying a topic.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Bob Moore" wrote

Well, I sure as hell don't consider myself to still be a student.
Not after 20,000+ flight hours.

I propose that "being a student" is a state of mind. You certainly have
more time in walkarounds and flight planning than most of us will ever log
in the air. If you are happy with what you know, and what kind of planes
you can fly at this point in your life, then maybe it is safe to say that
you are not a student.

If on the other hand, you want to fly something different (like a
floatplane, or power assisted glider, or.... then you could once again
adjust your state of mind, to being a student.

Then along comes a new piece of avionics, and you have to study the manual
and learn how it works. Once again, you could safely say that for a period
of time, you are a student.
--
Jim in NC

"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:7IMnf.13821$Ea6.4550@trnddc08...
Not so. By definition, students are studying a topic.

By which definition?

At least one online definition (American Heritage Dictionary) includes as
one possible definition of a "student" the simple phrase "An attentive
observer".

Personally, I think anyone who claims to still be learning (possibly through
attentive observation ) can consider themselves to be a "student". The
obvious corallary is that someone who claims not to be a "student" is
someone who has given up learning.

Pete

On 2005-12-13, Bob Moore wrote:
"JohnH" wrote
An unsafe pilot is one who no longer considers him/herself to be a
student.

Well, I sure as hell don't consider myself to still be a student.
Not after 20,000+ flight hours.

Ah yes, just like the airline pilot at our glider club who thought he
didn't need a recurrency check after not flying a glider for a few
months, and nearly wrecked the tug and glider combination...

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Dylan Smith wrote:

Ah yes, just like the airline pilot at our glider club who thought he
didn't need a recurrency check after not flying a glider for a few
months, and nearly wrecked the tug and glider combination...

There are many examples in the NTSB accident reports of fatal accidents
where a five digit hour ATP was PIC.

I don't ever aspire to be that cocky.

--
Peter