Another Cirrus Down

When the navy carrier pilots came home, the ship had
moved, was pointed some other direction, was changing in altitude
during the landing, and grade wasn't stable either.

Oh come on, those guys never had to land with a crosswind - how hard
can that be? G

Now if they had to do all that WITHOUT arresting cables then I'd be
impressed..

Peter R. wrote:
There are many examples in the NTSB accident reports of fatal accidents
where a five digit hour ATP was PIC.

The most important hour in your logbook in the next one.

Hilton

wrote:
ade wasn't stable either.

Oh come on, those guys never had to land with a crosswind - how hard
can that be? G


Good thing, too! Have you noticed on a carrier how close the TOWER is
to the LANDING STRIP??? 8O

On land, the only thing that close is the new housing development. But
then, that's not humorous....

Oh come on, those guys never had to land with a crosswind - how hard
can that be? G

Now if they had to do all that WITHOUT arresting cables then I'd be
impressed..

Perhaps they could do like they tried with the C-130, and the JATO bottles
pointed backwards.

Hey wait a minute. If it worked would they be called JATOAL?
--
Jim in NC

It's true what they say. The world has no further use for those that
have nothing more to learn.
-Robert

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:32:08 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:

On 12/13/2005 08:26, Ron Lee wrote:

Is there a way to get a weather report from that location/time?

After looking at the pic my thought was that there are too many
senseless crashes resulting in death. I suspect that in many it is
pilot error and I have no idea how you instill in pilots common sense
or a way to suppress "get home-itis."

I also wonder if the Cirrus parachute system gives some pilots a false
sense of security.

Knowing a number of pilots who fly them I'm certain of it. I think
any one flying with the knowledge of a parachute tied to the plane
that is supposed to save your but can not be ignored.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

So for the student pilots reading this...don't do stupid things.

... that would be all pilots ;-)

and it's good advice.


Ron Lee

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
. 121...
"JohnH" wrote
An unsafe pilot is one who no longer considers him/herself to be a
student.

Well, I sure as hell don't consider myself to still be a student.
Not after 20,000+ flight hours.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727 L-188
Flight Instructor Airplane/Instrument Airplane
USN S-2F P-2V P-3B
PanAm (retired)

Bob,

I think his point would be that even with all your glorified wide body time,
you come take a ride with me in my F-15 and you're a student buddy. If you
think you're not, then you're dangerous.

I worry more about the 20,000 hour "I can fly anything" pilot than I do
about my younger guys who "know they know nothing". (when transitiioning to
a new airframe)

(not saying you're like that, just trying to explain his point)

"John Doe" wrote
I think his point would be that even with all your glorified wide body
time, you come take a ride with me in my F-15 and you're a student
buddy. If you think you're not, then you're dangerous.

John Doe ???? Sure, I can fly F-15s in MS FlightSim as well as you.
Without a real name, squadron number, and other verifiable facts,
you're just a nobody passing out bull****. And, you should know
that none of the aircraft that I claim to have flown are "widebodies".

Bob Moore

On 2005-12-14, Morgans wrote:

Oh come on, those guys never had to land with a crosswind - how hard
can that be? G

Now if they had to do all that WITHOUT arresting cables then I'd be
impressed..

Perhaps they could do like they tried with the C-130, and the JATO bottles
pointed backwards.

They also did some other tests with the C-130 and backwards JATOs.
There's a video of one of their attempts.

It shows the C-130 on final, then they fire the rockets. A bit
too early, as it turns out - the plane comes to a complete halt
when still around 50 feet in the air, and predictably, falls out
the sky. The wings break off, bits of propellor shower the scene, flames
shoot out the stubs of the broken wings. While this is going on,
the narrator of the video in a bored voice says dryly, "Due to
a combination of factors, the rockets were fired prematurely
leading to an excessively hard landing"

I suspect "excessively hard landing" is probably a euphemism for
"crashing".

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Bob Moore wrote:

Without a real name, squadron number, and other verifiable facts,
you're just a nobody passing out bull****. And, you should know
that none of the aircraft that I claim to have flown are "widebodies".

Seems to me, Bob, that the premise still stands, regardless if this
anonymous poster is an F-15 pilot or not.

--
Peter