Question for controllers

"Newps" wrote in message The fire
truck guys have their own paperwork but that has nothing to do with the
FAA.

For those who haven't had the 'pleasure', I point out for educational
purposes that giving a statement to the firefighters is strictly voluntary.
If you do, it may come back to haunt you. For myself, "I respectfully
decline to provide that information."

D.

"Newps" wrote in message
Would you like some cheese with that whine?

I don't drink, thanks.

My post wasn't meant for pilots to snipe at controllers. It was meant for
enlightenment concerning an incident where the controller declined to
provide priority when asked, and an accident followed.

I'll ask again- In your controller training, are situations addressed
concerning aircraft which request priority but do not declare an emergency?

D. (Where's McNicholl?)

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in
command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly
responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the
operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action,
the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part
to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under
paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the
Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to
the Administrator.

§ 91.123 Compliance with ATC clearances and instructions.
(a) When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in
command may deviate from that clearance unless an amended
clearance is obtained, an emergency exists, or the deviation
is in response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance
system resolution advisory. However, except in Class A
airspace, a pilot may cancel an IFR flight plan if the
operation is being conducted in VFR weather conditions. When
a pilot is uncertain of an ATC clearance, that pilot shall
immediately request clarification from ATC.

(b) Except in an emergency, no person may operate an
aircraft contrary to an ATC instruction in an area in which
air traffic control is exercised.

(c) Each pilot in command who, in an emergency, or in
response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance system
resolution advisory, deviates from an ATC clearance or
instruction shall notify ATC of that deviation as soon as
possible.

(d) Each pilot in command who (though not deviating from a
rule of this subpart) is given priority by ATC in an
emergency, shall submit a detailed report of that emergency
within 48 hours to the manager of that ATC facility, if
requested by ATC.

(e) Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person operating
an aircraft may operate that aircraft according to any
clearance or instruction that has been issued to the pilot
of another aircraft for radar air traffic control purposes.



| The rules also require a report IF traffic priority is
| given.
|

--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:3bpag.21673$ZW3.10192@dukeread04...
§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in
command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly
responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the
operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action,
the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part
to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under
paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the
Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to
the Administrator.

§ 91.123 Compliance with ATC clearances and instructions.
(a) When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in
command may deviate from that clearance unless an amended
clearance is obtained, an emergency exists, or the deviation
is in response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance
system resolution advisory. However, except in Class A
airspace, a pilot may cancel an IFR flight plan if the
operation is being conducted in VFR weather conditions. When
a pilot is uncertain of an ATC clearance, that pilot shall
immediately request clarification from ATC.

(b) Except in an emergency, no person may operate an
aircraft contrary to an ATC instruction in an area in which
air traffic control is exercised.

(c) Each pilot in command who, in an emergency, or in
response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance system
resolution advisory, deviates from an ATC clearance or
instruction shall notify ATC of that deviation as soon as
possible.

(d) Each pilot in command who (though not deviating from a
rule of this subpart) is given priority by ATC in an
emergency, shall submit a detailed report of that emergency
within 48 hours to the manager of that ATC facility, if
requested by ATC.

(e) Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person operating
an aircraft may operate that aircraft according to any
clearance or instruction that has been issued to the pilot
of another aircraft for radar air traffic control purposes.



| The rules also require a report IF traffic priority is
| given.
|


If requested by ATC.

"| If requested by ATC."

THAT IS WHAT I SAID in my first post reply. But if they
don't get your name, how do they contact you IF the airline
asks 6 hours after you leave the airport.
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
in message
nk.net...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:3bpag.21673$ZW3.10192@dukeread04...
| § 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in
| command.
| (a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly
| responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the
| operation of that aircraft.
|
| (b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate
action,
| the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this
part
| to the extent required to meet that emergency.
|
| (c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under
| paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of
the
| Administrator, send a written report of that deviation
to
| the Administrator.
|
| § 91.123 Compliance with ATC clearances and
instructions.
| (a) When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in
| command may deviate from that clearance unless an
amended
| clearance is obtained, an emergency exists, or the
deviation
| is in response to a traffic alert and collision
avoidance
| system resolution advisory. However, except in Class A
| airspace, a pilot may cancel an IFR flight plan if the
| operation is being conducted in VFR weather conditions.
When
| a pilot is uncertain of an ATC clearance, that pilot
shall
| immediately request clarification from ATC.
|
| (b) Except in an emergency, no person may operate an
| aircraft contrary to an ATC instruction in an area in
which
| air traffic control is exercised.
|
| (c) Each pilot in command who, in an emergency, or in
| response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance
system
| resolution advisory, deviates from an ATC clearance or
| instruction shall notify ATC of that deviation as soon
as
| possible.
|
| (d) Each pilot in command who (though not deviating from
a
| rule of this subpart) is given priority by ATC in an
| emergency, shall submit a detailed report of that
emergency
| within 48 hours to the manager of that ATC facility, if
| requested by ATC.
|
| (e) Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person
operating
| an aircraft may operate that aircraft according to any
| clearance or instruction that has been issued to the
pilot
| of another aircraft for radar air traffic control
purposes.
|
|
|
| | The rules also require a report IF traffic
priority is
| | given.
| |
|
|
| If requested by ATC.
|
|

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
...

My post wasn't meant for pilots to snipe at controllers. It was meant for
enlightenment concerning an incident where the controller declined to
provide priority when asked, and an accident followed.


What was the request that was denied?



I'll ask again- In your controller training, are situations addressed
concerning aircraft which request priority but do not declare an
emergency?


It isn't strictly "first come, first served". Aircraft in distress have
priority over all others, "Lifeguard" aircraft are given priority over all
but aircraft in distress, etc., etc., etc.


http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp2/atc0201.html#2-1-4

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:Xlqag.21677$ZW3.11302@dukeread04...

"If requested by ATC."

THAT IS WHAT I SAID in my first post reply.


That is NOT what you said in your first post reply. You said nothing about
the report being required only irequested by ATC, you said, "The rules also
require a report IF traffic priority is given."

"Al" wrote in message
...

So who files out the paper work later?


What paperwork?



I ask because I once arrived at a major U.S. West Coast airport, and
upon extending the landing gear, had no light. I was left base at the
time, so I asked for a "right 270" to do a quick troubleshoot. Sure
enough, the bulb was bad. After landing I was followed by the equipment,
and when I stopped, the crash rescue guys wanted to know the "nature of my
emergency". I told them I had no emergency, and they left. It took two
months of talking to FAA folks to convince them there was no emergency in
the first place.


Why bother? You feel there was no emergency, they believe there was. So
what?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
It isn't strictly "first come, first served". Aircraft in distress have
priority over all others, "Lifeguard" aircraft are given priority over all
but aircraft in distress, etc., etc., etc.
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp2/atc0201.html#2-1-4

Thank you,
D.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Al" wrote in message
...

So who files out the paper work later?


What paperwork?



I ask because I once arrived at a major U.S. West Coast airport, and
upon extending the landing gear, had no light. I was left base at the
time, so I asked for a "right 270" to do a quick troubleshoot. Sure
enough, the bulb was bad. After landing I was followed by the equipment,
and when I stopped, the crash rescue guys wanted to know the "nature of
my emergency". I told them I had no emergency, and they left. It took two
months of talking to FAA folks to convince them there was no emergency in
the first place.


Why bother? You feel there was no emergency, they believe there was. So
what?

That's pretty much how it worked out. The GADO sent representitives to
my home airport, to "ask around" about the "Gear emergency", but I was out
of town at the time. When I got back they had left me a note to contact the
GADO, and I learned they had spoken to most of the maintenance folks on the
airport looking for "Indications of an un-reported problem". I called them
on my return, and after explaining several times that is it was the bulb,
they backed off. I believe the phrase was "Let me off this time." It was
just another incident in a long cynical distrustful relationship with the
FAA GADO's.
On a brighter note, I recently jumped through the hoops to get my second
class medical, after 15 years of no flying, and was treated very well by the
Seattle office of their Aeromedical division. Some of their people(One
Barbara Martin in particular) were extremely helpful. They seemed to be
handling medical request in near real time, the delays I saw were in days,
not weeks or months. This is not the FAA I new twenty years ago.

Al