Taking the pledge

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay;

In the years I've been posting on the aviation newsgroups I've seen a
lot of people and situations come and go ( including myself on more than
one occasion :-)
I remember the first day I opened up a newsgroup. It was
Rec.aviation.military (RAM). The first thing I noticed was that the
entire group, and I mean almost the entire list of threads I was looking
at on the screen were between two characters; one with a persona Bertie
The Bunyip; the other apparently his arch Usenet rival named Ralphie.
These two were engaged in what I can only characterize as a TOTAL
dominance of the group with their posting back and forth to each other.
Reading down the multiple threads between these two was a Usenet
education in one swell swoop for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
To me, (the Usenet intelligence factor up for grabs with my first
experience ongoing :-) the lesson was immediate. It took about five
seconds to ascertain that anything either of these two had to say wasn't
worth reading. Also, it immediately became apparent that opening posts
connected to what these two had going on was a waste of my time.
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still holds true for
today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move on to other
postings.
Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the list
of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially interesting
and what's simply a high noise level thread.
In fact, take this thread for example. When I first saw your initial
post yesterday, I invested a few seconds (by choice) to get the gist of
what was being said. Once I had it, I knew instinctively that what was
to follow would be the usual potpourri on this topic. No NEED to read
further with the answering posting since I already had a good read on
how anything connected with Mxmanic.
Now here's the interesting part of all this. Knowing that Mxmanic is
someone I personally won't deal with by CHOICE, I also have a CHOICE to
avoid threads involved with him. Notice it's all about CHOICE! That's
the key to dealing with a Usenet experience.
Nothing on Usenet is perfect and it never will be. The entire thing is
based on choice. Sure we have rules and net protocols, and most of us
try to follow the basic path on what's right and wrong, but in the end
analysis, when it comes to Usenet and handling the way an individual
uses a newsgroup, it all boils down to CHOICES.
As long as you have a newsgroup, you are going to have CHOICES! You're
unfortunately also going to have disruptive influences and a whole
plethora of ways people try to deal with these influences.
Hell, we're always going to have a Mxmanic around these groups. If it's
not this particular person, it will be another coming down the line
sooner or later.
Developing rock solid "rules" to handle these "situations" just ain't
gonna cut it as they say. The very nature of Usenet denies that everyone
be of a like mind. Opinions will always vary. While one poster will kill
file someone, another will not. While one poster will take a specific
position on something, the next will not. It goes on and on.
In the end, it's just Usenet. You come and take part or you don't. You
like it or you don't. The only way to change Usenet is by your own
individual behavior and the choices you personally make.
So for Mxmanic; my choice is to avoid him. I let those who wish to
engage him do so freely and without malice. After all, they have
opinions and choices too, and who am I to dictate to the world what the
world should or shouldn't do.
The solution to the Mxmanic issue is so simple it defies confusion. He's
here with us for as long as he posts here. You engage or avoid by simple
choice!
It's Usenet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

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It's brown, it's around his hotel ...and it keeps getting squished.

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Montblack

Well said Dudley!

I remember "Bertie the Bunyip", THAT was a long time ago!

They come, they go...

And MX is not even trying!

(sigh)

Cheers!

Dave



On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:26:53 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay;

In the years I've been posting on the aviation newsgroups I've seen a
lot of people and situations come and go ( including myself on more than
one occasion :-)
I remember the first day I opened up a newsgroup. It was
Rec.aviation.military (RAM). The first thing I noticed was that the
entire group, and I mean almost the entire list of threads I was looking
at on the screen were between two characters; one with a persona Bertie
The Bunyip; the other apparently his arch Usenet rival named Ralphie.
These two were engaged in what I can only characterize as a TOTAL
dominance of the group with their posting back and forth to each other.
Reading down the multiple threads between these two was a Usenet
education in one swell swoop for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
To me, (the Usenet intelligence factor up for grabs with my first
experience ongoing :-) the lesson was immediate. It took about five
seconds to ascertain that anything either of these two had to say wasn't
worth reading. Also, it immediately became apparent that opening posts
connected to what these two had going on was a waste of my time.
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still holds true for
today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move on to other
postings.
Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the list
of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially interesting
and what's simply a high noise level thread.
In fact, take this thread for example. When I first saw your initial
post yesterday, I invested a few seconds (by choice) to get the gist of
what was being said. Once I had it, I knew instinctively that what was
to follow would be the usual potpourri on this topic. No NEED to read
further with the answering posting since I already had a good read on
how anything connected with Mxmanic.
Now here's the interesting part of all this. Knowing that Mxmanic is
someone I personally won't deal with by CHOICE, I also have a CHOICE to
avoid threads involved with him. Notice it's all about CHOICE! That's
the key to dealing with a Usenet experience.
Nothing on Usenet is perfect and it never will be. The entire thing is
based on choice. Sure we have rules and net protocols, and most of us
try to follow the basic path on what's right and wrong, but in the end
analysis, when it comes to Usenet and handling the way an individual
uses a newsgroup, it all boils down to CHOICES.
As long as you have a newsgroup, you are going to have CHOICES! You're
unfortunately also going to have disruptive influences and a whole
plethora of ways people try to deal with these influences.
Hell, we're always going to have a Mxmanic around these groups. If it's
not this particular person, it will be another coming down the line
sooner or later.
Developing rock solid "rules" to handle these "situations" just ain't
gonna cut it as they say. The very nature of Usenet denies that everyone
be of a like mind. Opinions will always vary. While one poster will kill
file someone, another will not. While one poster will take a specific
position on something, the next will not. It goes on and on.
In the end, it's just Usenet. You come and take part or you don't. You
like it or you don't. The only way to change Usenet is by your own
individual behavior and the choices you personally make.
So for Mxmanic; my choice is to avoid him. I let those who wish to
engage him do so freely and without malice. After all, they have
opinions and choices too, and who am I to dictate to the world what the
world should or shouldn't do.
The solution to the Mxmanic issue is so simple it defies confusion. He's
here with us for as long as he posts here. You engage or avoid by simple
choice!
It's Usenet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Dave wrote:
Well said Dudley!

I remember "Bertie the Bunyip", THAT was a long time ago!

They come, they go...

And MX is not even trying!

(sigh)

Cheers!

Dave



On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:26:53 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay;

In the years I've been posting on the aviation newsgroups I've seen a
lot of people and situations come and go ( including myself on more than
one occasion :-)
I remember the first day I opened up a newsgroup. It was
Rec.aviation.military (RAM). The first thing I noticed was that the
entire group, and I mean almost the entire list of threads I was looking
at on the screen were between two characters; one with a persona Bertie
The Bunyip; the other apparently his arch Usenet rival named Ralphie.
These two were engaged in what I can only characterize as a TOTAL
dominance of the group with their posting back and forth to each other.
Reading down the multiple threads between these two was a Usenet
education in one swell swoop for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
To me, (the Usenet intelligence factor up for grabs with my first
experience ongoing :-) the lesson was immediate. It took about five
seconds to ascertain that anything either of these two had to say wasn't
worth reading. Also, it immediately became apparent that opening posts
connected to what these two had going on was a waste of my time.
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still holds true for
today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move on to other
postings.
Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the list
of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially interesting
and what's simply a high noise level thread.
In fact, take this thread for example. When I first saw your initial
post yesterday, I invested a few seconds (by choice) to get the gist of
what was being said. Once I had it, I knew instinctively that what was
to follow would be the usual potpourri on this topic. No NEED to read
further with the answering posting since I already had a good read on
how anything connected with Mxmanic.
Now here's the interesting part of all this. Knowing that Mxmanic is
someone I personally won't deal with by CHOICE, I also have a CHOICE to
avoid threads involved with him. Notice it's all about CHOICE! That's
the key to dealing with a Usenet experience.
Nothing on Usenet is perfect and it never will be. The entire thing is
based on choice. Sure we have rules and net protocols, and most of us
try to follow the basic path on what's right and wrong, but in the end
analysis, when it comes to Usenet and handling the way an individual
uses a newsgroup, it all boils down to CHOICES.
As long as you have a newsgroup, you are going to have CHOICES! You're
unfortunately also going to have disruptive influences and a whole
plethora of ways people try to deal with these influences.
Hell, we're always going to have a Mxmanic around these groups. If it's
not this particular person, it will be another coming down the line
sooner or later.
Developing rock solid "rules" to handle these "situations" just ain't
gonna cut it as they say. The very nature of Usenet denies that everyone
be of a like mind. Opinions will always vary. While one poster will kill
file someone, another will not. While one poster will take a specific
position on something, the next will not. It goes on and on.
In the end, it's just Usenet. You come and take part or you don't. You
like it or you don't. The only way to change Usenet is by your own
individual behavior and the choices you personally make.
So for Mxmanic; my choice is to avoid him. I let those who wish to
engage him do so freely and without malice. After all, they have
opinions and choices too, and who am I to dictate to the world what the
world should or shouldn't do.
The solution to the Mxmanic issue is so simple it defies confusion. He's
here with us for as long as he posts here. You engage or avoid by simple
choice!
It's Usenet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Yeah; never found out what happened to old Bertie and Ralphie. I guess
they're still out here somewhere.
They WERE a pair!!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Yeah; never found out what happened to old Bertie and Ralphie. I guess
they're still out here somewhere.
They WERE a pair!!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Probably hanging out with Robert Bass of rec.aviation.student infamy.

Dudley Henriques wrote:
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still
holds true for today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move
on to other postings.

The simplest and most effective solution.

Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the
list of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially
interesting and what's simply a high noise level thread.

That is what I've been doing for the 19-some years I've been reading
Usenet.

With a few minor differences your post is one I would have written had I
gotten around to it. Hmmm ... have you been reading my mind? :-)

Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still
holds true for today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move
on to other postings.

The simplest and most effective solution.

Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the
list of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially
interesting and what's simply a high noise level thread.

That is what I've been doing for the 19-some years I've been reading
Usenet.

With a few minor differences your post is one I would have written had I
gotten around to it. Hmmm ... have you been reading my mind? :-)

:-))
Dudley

Hi Dudley!

They never even crossed my mind for years till you mentioned them.

What a pair..!

Hadda wear a flame suit just to "lurk the threads"

Was a hoot for a while..

MX and his bashers have a looooong way to go to match those dudes, and
it will never happen, 'cause MX won't stoop to their game.

Maybe they met in person...maybe that's what happened, never heard
from them again... hehe...

There I go feeling old again...

Dave



On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:43:23 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Dave wrote:
Well said Dudley!

I remember "Bertie the Bunyip", THAT was a long time ago!

They come, they go...

And MX is not even trying!

(sigh)

Cheers!

Dave



On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:26:53 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay;

In the years I've been posting on the aviation newsgroups I've seen a
lot of people and situations come and go ( including myself on more than
one occasion :-)
I remember the first day I opened up a newsgroup. It was
Rec.aviation.military (RAM). The first thing I noticed was that the
entire group, and I mean almost the entire list of threads I was looking
at on the screen were between two characters; one with a persona Bertie
The Bunyip; the other apparently his arch Usenet rival named Ralphie.
These two were engaged in what I can only characterize as a TOTAL
dominance of the group with their posting back and forth to each other.
Reading down the multiple threads between these two was a Usenet
education in one swell swoop for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
To me, (the Usenet intelligence factor up for grabs with my first
experience ongoing :-) the lesson was immediate. It took about five
seconds to ascertain that anything either of these two had to say wasn't
worth reading. Also, it immediately became apparent that opening posts
connected to what these two had going on was a waste of my time.
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still holds true for
today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move on to other
postings.
Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the list
of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially interesting
and what's simply a high noise level thread.
In fact, take this thread for example. When I first saw your initial
post yesterday, I invested a few seconds (by choice) to get the gist of
what was being said. Once I had it, I knew instinctively that what was
to follow would be the usual potpourri on this topic. No NEED to read
further with the answering posting since I already had a good read on
how anything connected with Mxmanic.
Now here's the interesting part of all this. Knowing that Mxmanic is
someone I personally won't deal with by CHOICE, I also have a CHOICE to
avoid threads involved with him. Notice it's all about CHOICE! That's
the key to dealing with a Usenet experience.
Nothing on Usenet is perfect and it never will be. The entire thing is
based on choice. Sure we have rules and net protocols, and most of us
try to follow the basic path on what's right and wrong, but in the end
analysis, when it comes to Usenet and handling the way an individual
uses a newsgroup, it all boils down to CHOICES.
As long as you have a newsgroup, you are going to have CHOICES! You're
unfortunately also going to have disruptive influences and a whole
plethora of ways people try to deal with these influences.
Hell, we're always going to have a Mxmanic around these groups. If it's
not this particular person, it will be another coming down the line
sooner or later.
Developing rock solid "rules" to handle these "situations" just ain't
gonna cut it as they say. The very nature of Usenet denies that everyone
be of a like mind. Opinions will always vary. While one poster will kill
file someone, another will not. While one poster will take a specific
position on something, the next will not. It goes on and on.
In the end, it's just Usenet. You come and take part or you don't. You
like it or you don't. The only way to change Usenet is by your own
individual behavior and the choices you personally make.
So for Mxmanic; my choice is to avoid him. I let those who wish to
engage him do so freely and without malice. After all, they have
opinions and choices too, and who am I to dictate to the world what the
world should or shouldn't do.
The solution to the Mxmanic issue is so simple it defies confusion. He's
here with us for as long as he posts here. You engage or avoid by simple
choice!
It's Usenet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Yeah; never found out what happened to old Bertie and Ralphie. I guess
they're still out here somewhere.
They WERE a pair!!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Dave wrote:
Hi Dudley!

They never even crossed my mind for years till you mentioned them.

What a pair..!

Hadda wear a flame suit just to "lurk the threads"

Was a hoot for a while..

MX and his bashers have a looooong way to go to match those dudes, and
it will never happen, 'cause MX won't stoop to their game.

Maybe they met in person...maybe that's what happened, never heard
from them again... hehe...

There I go feeling old again...

Dave



On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:43:23 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Dave wrote:
Well said Dudley!

I remember "Bertie the Bunyip", THAT was a long time ago!

They come, they go...

And MX is not even trying!

(sigh)

Cheers!

Dave



On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:26:53 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay;

In the years I've been posting on the aviation newsgroups I've seen a
lot of people and situations come and go ( including myself on more than
one occasion :-)
I remember the first day I opened up a newsgroup. It was
Rec.aviation.military (RAM). The first thing I noticed was that the
entire group, and I mean almost the entire list of threads I was looking
at on the screen were between two characters; one with a persona Bertie
The Bunyip; the other apparently his arch Usenet rival named Ralphie.
These two were engaged in what I can only characterize as a TOTAL
dominance of the group with their posting back and forth to each other.
Reading down the multiple threads between these two was a Usenet
education in one swell swoop for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
To me, (the Usenet intelligence factor up for grabs with my first
experience ongoing :-) the lesson was immediate. It took about five
seconds to ascertain that anything either of these two had to say wasn't
worth reading. Also, it immediately became apparent that opening posts
connected to what these two had going on was a waste of my time.
The solution was simple really, and what I did then still holds true for
today in these situations. I simply avoid them and move on to other
postings.
Hell, I don't even use filters! No need to. A simple look down the list
of any newsgroup reveals to me instantly what is potentially interesting
and what's simply a high noise level thread.
In fact, take this thread for example. When I first saw your initial
post yesterday, I invested a few seconds (by choice) to get the gist of
what was being said. Once I had it, I knew instinctively that what was
to follow would be the usual potpourri on this topic. No NEED to read
further with the answering posting since I already had a good read on
how anything connected with Mxmanic.
Now here's the interesting part of all this. Knowing that Mxmanic is
someone I personally won't deal with by CHOICE, I also have a CHOICE to
avoid threads involved with him. Notice it's all about CHOICE! That's
the key to dealing with a Usenet experience.
Nothing on Usenet is perfect and it never will be. The entire thing is
based on choice. Sure we have rules and net protocols, and most of us
try to follow the basic path on what's right and wrong, but in the end
analysis, when it comes to Usenet and handling the way an individual
uses a newsgroup, it all boils down to CHOICES.
As long as you have a newsgroup, you are going to have CHOICES! You're
unfortunately also going to have disruptive influences and a whole
plethora of ways people try to deal with these influences.
Hell, we're always going to have a Mxmanic around these groups. If it's
not this particular person, it will be another coming down the line
sooner or later.
Developing rock solid "rules" to handle these "situations" just ain't
gonna cut it as they say. The very nature of Usenet denies that everyone
be of a like mind. Opinions will always vary. While one poster will kill
file someone, another will not. While one poster will take a specific
position on something, the next will not. It goes on and on.
In the end, it's just Usenet. You come and take part or you don't. You
like it or you don't. The only way to change Usenet is by your own
individual behavior and the choices you personally make.
So for Mxmanic; my choice is to avoid him. I let those who wish to
engage him do so freely and without malice. After all, they have
opinions and choices too, and who am I to dictate to the world what the
world should or shouldn't do.
The solution to the Mxmanic issue is so simple it defies confusion. He's
here with us for as long as he posts here. You engage or avoid by simple
choice!
It's Usenet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley
Yeah; never found out what happened to old Bertie and Ralphie. I guess
they're still out here somewhere.
They WERE a pair!!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Mx is an interesting case indeed. I always end up feeling sorry for him
somehow. If his interest in aviation is authentic, he's missed
meaningful communication with a lot of talented and knowledgeable people
by allowing this unfortunate situation to continue and prosper. On the
other hand, if he is indeed a troll, all he's learned from the
experience is the one thing that's learn able for every troll; that
being the knowledge that he's a good or bad troll.
Oh well, whatever turns him on I guess. That's Usenet! :-))
Dudley

("Steve S" wrote)
Probably hanging out with (TFWNWDNS) of rec.aviation.student infamy.


"The fish whose name we dare not speak"


Montblack
(The "frog" whose name ....?)