Security at a class D tower

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:54:49 -0700, Matt Barrow wrote:

And phone lines never go down, and radar systems never fail, and
electical
power never goes down...

Right. I'm fond of backups. I keep trying to see where I can store an
extra engine in my club's 182s, for example.


Baggage compartment?

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Why not? A friend had an emergency a while back that required landing
against traffic in IMC. The tower told him they were "spooling up" (yes,
that was the phrase; I don't know why {8^) the ILS for the runway in the
direction he was to be using. I presume that they also shut down the
other side, and that they swapped back after my friend landed (which he
did quite successfully, I'm pleased to add).

Admittedly, this was not a class D but a class B. Why, if so, would that
make a difference?


Who would you expect would have control of the approach, the tower or
approach control?

Matt Barrow wrote:
Right. I'm fond of backups. I keep trying to see where I can store an
extra engine in my club's 182s, for example.

Baggage compartment?

Doesn't that make it a 337?

:P

TheSmokingGnu

Andrew Gideon writes:

Right. I'm fond of backups. I keep trying to see where I can store an
extra engine in my club's 182s, for example.

Fly a twin.

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Robert M. Gary wrote:

When visiting our tower here in Sacramento (contract) you have to call
up and get buzzed through a series of security doors. That's pre-911
and never made sense to me. Just down the street is the FSDO. The FSDO
is apparently #1 on the terrorist watch list. You can't even walk up
to the building w/o being approached by security. The FSDO employees
park in a specical security area just in case you considered messing
with their cars. If you do not have an appointment you are not suppose
to be anywhere near the building. Once you are in you have to get a
badge just to talk to the receiptionist. I've often had to go in there
and spent more time getting the badge than getting the task done. I
guess if the FSDO got attacked the 121 chief check pilots would
eventually lose their check priv, and soon after all airline pilots
would no longer be able to do their recurrent 121 training. Within 5
years things could get irritating if every FSDO was off line.

You're not in AZ are you? I thought the Scottsdale FSDO was the only one
with these ridiculously overdone security procedures. It's laughable.
What kind of damage could a terrorist do in a FSDO office??? Misfile some
documents? I suppose the whole thing is done to make FAA managers feel that
they are important in some way.

As far as the Class D tower security goes, it was probably thought up by
someone who watched that "Die Hard" movie where terrorists take over the
tower and make planes crash. Ludicrous to real pilots and controllers, but
probably a valid scenario to some know nothing bureaucrat.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:52:40 -0700, TheSmokingGnu wrote:

Matt Barrow wrote:
Right. I'm fond of backups. I keep trying to see where I can store an
extra engine in my club's 182s, for example.

Baggage compartment?

Doesn't that make it a 337?

Ah. That explains why the engine has heating problems placed back there.

- Andrew

On Apr 9, 9:31 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Apr 7, 10:24 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:





On 2007-04-07 12:07:18 -0700, Dallas said:

I assume this is all a reaction to our new terrorist threat, but I haven't
been able to come up with any reason for all that security. Let's say
some terrorists took the tower, what's the worst thing they could do?

I suppose they could steal stuff. Thieves are a more serious problem
than terrorists. A class D tower would be a very low value terrorist
target. At most, there are only a couple people in there and they
probably carry little cash.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

When visiting our tower here in Sacramento (contract) you have to call
up and get buzzed through a series of security doors. That's pre-911
and never made sense to me. Just down the street is the FSDO. The FSDO
is apparently #1 on the terrorist watch list. You can't even walk up
to the building w/o being approached by security. The FSDO employees
park in a specical security area just in case you considered messing
with their cars. If you do not have an appointment you are not suppose
to be anywhere near the building. Once you are in you have to get a
badge just to talk to the receiptionist. I've often had to go in there
and spent more time getting the badge than getting the task done. I
guess if the FSDO got attacked the 121 chief check pilots would
eventually lose their check priv, and soon after all airline pilots
would no longer be able to do their recurrent 121 training. Within 5
years things could get irritating if every FSDO was off line.

-Robert- Hide quoted text -

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Maybe the FSDO is more afraid of pilots than they are of terrorists.

In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Admittedly, this was not a class D but a class B. Why, if so, would that
make a difference?


Who would you expect would have control of the approach, the tower or
approach control?

KBED tower can turn off the ILS (and switch it between 11/29).

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Bob Noel
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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KBED tower can turn off the ILS (and switch it between 11/29).


Only at the direction of Boston approach.

In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

KBED tower can turn off the ILS (and switch it between 11/29).

Only at the direction of Boston approach.

Boston Approach doesn't control which KBED runway is in use.

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Bob Noel
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