An Idea Whose Time Has Come? Supersonic Bizjets

Jim

Can remember when Army missles in CONUS were placed under NORAD for
operational control. While ADC kept birds on 5 minute alert 24/7 there
was no requiremant to keep the missles hot until the early warning
radar picked up in bounds (or during exercises).

Over seas the rules were different.

Back to Bizjets. I prog them to be operational within 10 years with
just a little more technical work and change of FAA rules.

Big John
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:35:03 GMT, wrote:

Big John wrote:
Jim

Went to the Army missile school at Fort Bliss and never heard about
that there either.

I went to the Army missile school at Fort Bliss and never heard about
that there either.

It wasn't until I was on an actual missile site.

When I went super sonic never got a warning in cockpit that a missile
radar had locked on to me back when we could go SS over the US.

Not surprising. In most of CONUS, most of the time the radars weren't
even turned on, much less was there someone looking at them; that was
someone else's job.

And that leads to a war story.

A new pilot arrived at Osan AFB and decided to go take a ride in his
F4 before he got the ROK SOP briefing. How he managed to do that,
I have no idea, but I'm sure some procedures changed after that.

One of the missile sites spotted him (there were always hot sites
in the ROK unlike CONUS) going places he shouldn't be.

The guano hit the rotary impeller, every site in the ROK went hot,
and Osan sent fighters.

The fighters found him quickly (not surprising since there were so
many people tracking) and before he did anything dumb enough to get a
missile laundhed up his ass and escorted him back to Osan.

There he found the base Commander waiting to escort him to a transport
back to the States. You might call it a career limiting move on his
part.

Big John wrote:
Jim

Can remember when Army missles in CONUS were placed under NORAD for
operational control. While ADC kept birds on 5 minute alert 24/7 there
was no requiremant to keep the missles hot until the early warning
radar picked up in bounds (or during exercises).

When I was in, and in CONUS, the system was normally in standby (this
was the tube days and it took a while for things to warm up) but the
radars weren't on unless there was a drill, exercise or an alert.

It was NORAD that scanned the skys on a daily basis.

There was a difference between a hot battery and a hot missile.

In a hot battery, everything was turned on, operational, and manned,
but the missiles are not necessarily hot.

In a hot missile, the missile is fully armed and ready to fire; I only
say that happen once in CONUS.

Over seas the rules were different.

Very much so, partly because there was no NORAD and partly because
batteries still had some HE warheads.

Back to Bizjets. I prog them to be operational within 10 years with
just a little more technical work and change of FAA rules.

Unless someone finds a way to totally eliminate the sonic boom, I
don't think that's going to happen, at least not over the US mainland.

--
Jim Pennino

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jimp wrote

Unless someone finds a way to totally eliminate the sonic boom, I
don't think that's going to happen, at least not over the US mainland.

I'm not so sure. If they get the sonic boom down in decibels, to where it
is not very loud, I would not find them objectionable, at least in the
daytime.

They say that the new boom management may make the boom barely audible.
Weight is a big help, or lack of it, in making the boom with smaller
pressure spikes, at least that is what they say.

I expect the ssbj (did I just coin a new term, or is that already in use?)
to be developed, and to start flying the oceanic routes. After it is in
use, if the booms are really small, then, perhaps the powers that be may
start to allow continental ss flights.

Even if they don't allow ss continental flights, if they flew at .98 mach,
it would still cut down on the time to cross the country.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

jimp wrote

Unless someone finds a way to totally eliminate the sonic boom, I
don't think that's going to happen, at least not over the US mainland.

I'm not so sure. If they get the sonic boom down in decibels, to where it
is not very loud, I would not find them objectionable, at least in the
daytime.

What you or I would accept will most likely not be the official acceptance
level.

They say that the new boom management may make the boom barely audible.
Weight is a big help, or lack of it, in making the boom with smaller
pressure spikes, at least that is what they say.

I expect the ssbj (did I just coin a new term, or is that already in use?)
to be developed, and to start flying the oceanic routes. After it is in
use, if the booms are really small, then, perhaps the powers that be may
start to allow continental ss flights.

The Atlantic is such a big deal, but the Pacific is as the Concorde showed.

Even if they don't allow ss continental flights, if they flew at .98 mach,
it would still cut down on the time to cross the country.

AIR, the fuel burn goes up enourmously as you approach MACH 1 then goes
down after you pass it.

--
Jim Pennino

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AIR, the fuel burn goes up enourmously as you approach MACH 1 then goes
down after you pass it.

Yep, but the guys that are going to be using a ssbj don't care about cost
as much. To them, time is money, and the quickest way across the country is
the way to go, and cost be damned.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

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AIR, the fuel burn goes up enourmously as you approach MACH 1 then goes
down after you pass it.

Yep, but the guys that are going to be using a ssbj don't care about cost
as much. To them, time is money, and the quickest way across the country is
the way to go, and cost be damned.

There weren't enough people with that attitude to keep the Concorde
flying, but it was a bigger AC.

We'll see...


--
Jim Pennino

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Kingfish writes:

There'll always be a market for SSBJs - probably the folks flying BBJs/
G550/Globals might make the leap.

How useful can they be as long as supersonic flights are prohibited over land?
They would be useful only for transoceanic flight, and usually aircraft
designed for supersonic flight are not very practical for subsonic flight, so
owners would have to have two or more aircraft.

Morgans writes:

I'm not so sure. If they get the sonic boom down in decibels, to where it
is not very loud, I would not find them objectionable, at least in the
daytime.

I never found sonic booms particularly objectionable, especially compared to
so many other types of noise that one encounters in urban settings. The
objections to them were overblown.

I expect the ssbj (did I just coin a new term, or is that already in use?)
to be developed, and to start flying the oceanic routes. After it is in
use, if the booms are really small, then, perhaps the powers that be may
start to allow continental ss flights.

Only if the powers that be are flying the SSBJs themselves, which they
probably will be.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Morgans writes:

I'm not so sure. If they get the sonic boom down in decibels, to
where it is not very loud, I would not find them objectionable, at
least in the daytime.

I never found sonic booms particularly objectionable, especially
compared to so many other types of noise that one encounters in urban
settings. The objections to them were overblown.


That's because you've neve heard one up close, moron.


Is there any subject you know anything about?

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Kingfish writes:

There'll always be a market for SSBJs - probably the folks flying
BBJs/ G550/Globals might make the leap.

How useful can they be as long as supersonic flights are prohibited
over land? They would be useful only for transoceanic flight, and
usually aircraft designed for supersonic flight are not very practical
for subsonic flight, so owners would have to have two or more
aircraft.


You're an idiot.

You have no idea of what you're talkinbg about.

Bertie