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![]() "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... I believe the point here is, that it's incumbent on the VFR PIC to explicitly _REQUEST_ clearance into Class B airspace every time (instead of saying "with you" or some such): It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't matter if he's operating VFR or IFR. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:16:11 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in : "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . I believe the point here is, that it's incumbent on the VFR PIC to explicitly _REQUEST_ clearance into Class B airspace every time (instead of saying "with you" or some such): It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't matter if he's operating VFR or IFR. Agreed. But it does matter if the PIC fails to REQUEST clearance into Class B, or for a procedure that necessitates navigation through Class B. The request puts the onus of regulation compliance more squarely on the shoulders of ATC, who can at times forget to explicitly issue a clearance. In those rare situations, if a PD should happen to be filed, it would be much more clear that the PIC knew he needed to be cleared, and the controller erored. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:16:11 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in : "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . I believe the point here is, that it's incumbent on the VFR PIC to explicitly _REQUEST_ clearance into Class B airspace every time (instead of saying "with you" or some such): It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't matter if he's operating VFR or IFR. Agreed. But it does matter if the PIC fails to REQUEST clearance into Class B, or for a procedure that necessitates navigation through Class B. The request puts the onus of regulation compliance more squarely on the shoulders of ATC, who can at times forget to explicitly issue a clearance. In those rare situations, if a PD should happen to be filed, it would be much more clear that the PIC knew he needed to be cleared, and the controller erred. |
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![]() "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't matter if he's operating VFR or IFR. Agreed. But it does matter if the PIC fails to REQUEST clearance into Class B, or for a procedure that necessitates navigation through Class B. The request puts the onus of regulation compliance more squarely on the shoulders of ATC, who can at times forget to explicitly issue a clearance. In those rare situations, if a PD should happen to be filed, it would be much more clear that the PIC knew he needed to be cleared, and the controller erored. It doesn't matter one bit what the pilot REQUESTS. All that matters is that the pilot receives an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't matter if he's operating VFR or IFR. Agreed. But it does matter if the PIC fails to REQUEST clearance into Class B, or for a procedure that necessitates navigation through Class B. The request puts the onus of regulation compliance more squarely on the shoulders of ATC, who can at times forget to explicitly issue a clearance. In those rare situations, if a PD should happen to be filed, it would be much more clear that the PIC knew he needed to be cleared, and the controller erored. It doesn't matter one bit what the pilot REQUESTS. All that matters is that the pilot receives an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area. I think that it has been drummed into VFR pilot's heads that clearance is required to enter class B so much that class B has taken on a somewhat mystical status in some people's minds and they can't see the forest for the trees. I doubt anyone would think that they have to explicitly request clearance into class B and hear "cleared for the class bravo" before taxi or takeoff from a class B airport, yet some seem to think so for other ATC defined procedures where the operation within class B is part of the definition of the procedure. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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