About Stall Psychology and Pilots

On 21 Feb, 06:06, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 20, 2:55 pm, WingFlaps wrote:





On Feb 21, 10:34 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

Hi BIG HEAD, I'll give you a "B" on your post.
It lacks detail, see below...

On Feb 19, 9:14 pm, wrote:

On Feb 19, 3:06 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

Seriously tho Dud, I think you screwed up
stall landings visa-vis AoA over the runway.
I pull back the yoke for a perfect flare, and
as the stall begins, my nose drops, then I
nudge back the yoke a bit more to settle
my little machine pretty much level and
stalled simultaneously....bingo!
At the moment before touch-down push the
yoke easy forward and I do a 3 point landing
at less than stall speed.

Dud, take your machine out to do some touch
and go's, and do 3 point landings at less than
stall. It's an awesome feeling. It's so smooth
you might not know you're on the pavement,
when you do it really well, no guff.

If you can do it once you'll know what I'm talking
about.

* * * * * *If we could do it once we'd be flying some cheap
simulator. *You will NOT do a full stall landing placing all three
wheels of a trike on the runway at once, unless you managed to flare
at 20 feet and ran out of airspeed and dropped straight down onto the
pavement. tends to break airplanes. You cannot stall an airplane with
the relative wind at such a low angle as you claim. Period.
* * * Besides, landing all three wheels at once is VERY poor
technique. It means a landing made at rather high speed, which is hard
on tires, brakes, and the rest of the airplane if you happen to run
out of runway. It'd also dangerous, since it *poses the risk of
wheelbarrowing, meaning a complete loss of control.
* * * * So much baloney. Even a ten-hour student can spot this as
such.
* * * *Dan

Sorry Dan, you don't know how to land aircraft,
most pilots don't so don't feel like your centered
out.
I find the C152 *a bit better than the C150, I guess
cuz a bit more engine weight in the nose, subtle
shift in CG vs CL, you know.

So go over the numbers and do the flare + pitch.
The horny should be going, and pull the yoke
back easy to maintain a constant horny.

Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
you can't even feel the nose wheel touching
down.
((I know about porposing, if the landing sucks
then hit the throotle, SOP)).

You know what your problem is Dan, your a
loser, you've never do a fantastic landing in
your life, if you ever have done one you'd
know what we're talking about.

So, you are advocating not following the POH?
Cheers

What's a POH?

**** Off Hillbilly



Bertie

On 19 Feb, 18:41, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:10 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:54a68b12-fd5e-41cf-
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On Feb 18, 12:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:40579f93-e593-
...
Speakin' of honesty [LOL], would our bertie care to
provide pix of his alledged enterprise? (that's not
forged), or is it Top Secret, like the rest of your crap?

Sorry Ken, but steel tube construction is too dangerous for you to be
playing with.
Bertie

We nailed you little bertie, you a big fake!

Oh yeah, you got me good there trailer trash.

I knew it right off the bat....plonk.

Oh no! Not a plonk! First I get a taste of my own medicine and now I'm
plonked!

Oh woe!

Oh cruel fate!

It's like I'm in a Twilight zone episode, 'cept I'm the troll!

Bertie

Bertie, you've been plonked, so why do you reply
when you know it won't be read?

Must just be too stupid to understand



Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:1d524c70-22a0-483c-
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Sorry Dan, you don't know how to land aircraft,
most pilots don't so don't feel like your centered
out.
I find the C152 a bit better than the C150, I guess
cuz a bit more engine weight in the nose, subtle
shift in CG vs CL, you know.

So go over the numbers and do the flare + pitch.
The horny should be going, and pull the yoke
back easy to maintain a constant horny.

Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
you can't even feel the nose wheel touching
down.
((I know about porposing, if the landing sucks
then hit the throotle, SOP)).

You know what your problem is Dan, your a
loser, you've never do a fantastic landing in
your life, if you ever have done one you'd
know what we're talking about.
Best Landings though...
Ken


Wow. We should bottle this.


Bertie

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 21, 7:06*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 20, 2:55 pm, WingFlaps wrote:



On Feb 21, 10:34 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

Hi BIG HEAD, I'll give you a "B" on your post.
It lacks detail, see below...

On Feb 19, 9:14 pm, wrote:

On Feb 19, 3:06 pm, "Ken S. Tucker"
wrote:

Seriously tho Dud, I think you screwed up
stall landings visa-vis AoA over the runway.
I pull back the yoke for a perfect flare, and
as the stall begins, my nose drops, then I
nudge back the yoke a bit more to settle
my little machine pretty much level and
stalled simultaneously....bingo!
At the moment before touch-down push the
yoke easy forward and I do a 3 point landing
at less than stall speed.

Dud, take your machine out to do some touch
and go's, and do 3 point landings at less than
stall. It's an awesome feeling. It's so smooth
you might not know you're on the pavement,
when you do it really well, no guff.

If you can do it once you'll know what I'm talking
about.

* * * * * *If we could do it once we'd be flying some ch
eap
simulator. *You will NOT do a full stall landing placing all
three

wheels of a trike on the runway at once, unless you managed to
flare

at 20 feet and ran out of airspeed and dropped straight down
onto th
e
pavement. tends to break airplanes. You cannot stall an
airplane wit
h
the relative wind at such a low angle as you claim. Period.
* * * Besides, landing all three wheels at once is VERY poor
technique. It means a landing made at rather high speed, which
is ha
rd
on tires, brakes, and the rest of the airplane if you happen to
run out of runway. It'd also dangerous, since it *poses the
risk of wheelbarrowing, meaning a complete loss of control.
* * * * So much baloney. Even a ten-hour student can spot th
is as
such.
* * * *Dan

Sorry Dan, you don't know how to land aircraft,
most pilots don't so don't feel like your centered
out.
I find the C152 *a bit better than the C150, I guess
cuz a bit more engine weight in the nose, subtle
shift in CG vs CL, you know.

So go over the numbers and do the flare + pitch.
The horny should be going, and pull the yoke
back easy to maintain a constant horny.

Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
you can't even feel the nose wheel touching
down.
((I know about porposing, if the landing sucks
then hit the throotle, SOP)).

You know what your problem is Dan, your a
loser, you've never do a fantastic landing in
your life, if you ever have done one you'd
know what we're talking about.

So, you are advocating not following the POH?
Cheers

What's a POH?


Oh you've really blown it. Bertie will be wetting himself with
laughter.


Ken always makes me laugh. He's like Jerry Lewis on acid.



Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:256b8641-a00d-
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On Feb 20, 3:31 pm, wrote:
On Feb 20, 2:34 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

You know what your problem is Dan, your a
loser, you've never do a fantastic landing in
your life, if you ever have done one you'd
know what we're talking about.
Best Landings though...
Ken

Lemme see. Learned to fly in the early '70s. Towed gliders
for two summers. Got a Commercial license in '93. Got an Instrument
rating in '95. Got a Flight Instructor Rating in '99. Got an Aircraft
Maintenance Engineer's license in 2000. I own an airplane and fly it.
I have six others here in the school I can fly anytime I get the
time.
172s and Citabrias and a 182RG. We used to have two 150s in which I
taught for some time, along with an older Champ, a Turbo 182RG, a
182,
a 180, a 185, and a Comanche 250. I have had three aircraft building/
restoration projects and have a fourth in the garage.
How many licenses do you have?

"Licenses", well that depends, if you are controlled
by govmonks, as you apparently are, we're about
equal, however I'm a citizen who works for private
corporations - for profit - and have diploma's all over
the place, filed somewhere.

How many airplane types have
you flown? (Real airplanes, not simulated airplanes.)
How many hours? Three, maybe? Kinda sounds like it.

I tossed my log book, cuz I don't keep my Gr.1
printing anymore, just crappy paper work.

Liar.



You know, I do a poo-poo, and I ain't going to keep
the used TP dated and filed. RULE 1, never leave a
paper-work trail!

Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.

No, it's what your instructor lives for.


Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible,

you're a liar.

do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!


No, it wouldn't, moron.


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 21, 3:32 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:
"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in
news:256b8641-a00d-
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"Licenses", well that depends, if you are controlled
by govmonks, as you apparently are, we're about
equal, however I'm a citizen who works for private
corporations - for profit - and have diploma's all over
the place, filed somewhere.

The only diploma you ever received was from Pilgram State.

How many airplane types have
you flown? (Real airplanes, not simulated airplanes.)
How many hours? Three, maybe? Kinda sounds like it.

I tossed my log book, cuz I don't keep my Gr.1
printing anymore, just crappy paper work.

Translation: You flunked Gr.1

You know, I do a poo-poo, and I ain't going to keep
the used TP dated and filed. RULE 1, never leave a
paper-work trail!

Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

Yeah. Your just as good a pilot as Harmon Rabb.

LOL, I consider myself a bad pilot


You do like to flatter yourself, don't you?

Nobody else considers you to be a pilot at all.



Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 21, 11:46 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:32 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:
"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in
news:256b8641-a00d-
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"Licenses", well that depends, if you are controlled
by govmonks, as you apparently are, we're about
equal, however I'm a citizen who works for private
corporations - for profit - and have diploma's all over
the place, filed somewhere.
The only diploma you ever received was from Pilgram State.

How many airplane types have
you flown? (Real airplanes, not simulated airplanes.)
How many hours? Three, maybe? Kinda sounds like it.
I tossed my log book, cuz I don't keep my Gr.1
printing anymore, just crappy paper work.
Translation: You flunked Gr.1

You know, I do a poo-poo, and I ain't going to keep
the used TP dated and filed. RULE 1, never leave a
paper-work trail!
Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken
Yeah. Your just as good a pilot as Harmon Rabb.

LOL, I consider myself a bad pilot and a bad driver,
cuz I have some ADD, my mind wanders, so I have
to really concentrate. So far it's paid off, never had an
accident in ~1,000,000 miles.
I can't even drive with the radio on unless there is no
traffic.
Ken

Well, I'll tell ya Ken. Landing a Zipper on a carrier would be a bit
of a chore, even for you. You DO of course know that the 104 lands at
155 to 160kts depending on fuel weight.
To my knowledge, even Tony Levier couldn't pull this one off.
:-))

Ok Dud, let's fly your figures, (I'll go over to feet/sec "fps").
I'm touching down at 160 MPH = 230 fps.
I need to stop on a 1000' carrier deck.
((s= 1/2 at^2 , v= at ))
((s=1000', v=230 fps , g=32 fps/s))

I need to stop in 8.7 seconds, and that requires a
deacceleration of "a"= 26 fps/s == 0.8g's on the brakes.

I think the 0.8g braking deacceleration is in bounds,

Nope, you are full of ****.


A liar.



Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:ffa6dbc5-f9a0-
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On Feb 21, 8:27 am, Big John wrote:
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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

************************************************** **

Ken
Did you chop power landing or land power on?
Big John

When I land something like a Cessna (in reality) I use
minimum power so the prop is acting as a break.



You break your prop landing?

Not surprised somehow.


In the F104 sim, I crashed and burned about 10 times.


They really should let you try it in a real one.


Bertie

Big John wrote in
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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

************************************************** **

Ken

Did you chop power landing or land power on?


Oh you have a wicked streak, John.


bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:f4ea91a6-ace6-4c67-
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On Feb 21, 11:57 am, WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 22, 8:04 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

When I land something like a Cessna (in reality) I use
minimum power so the prop is acting as a break.

Is that because it's dragging on the ground after your nose wheel
crushing landing?
LOL
Cheers

I think it was Dud who kicked off this thread,
" Psychology and Pilots".
I recall pilots expressing a fear of landings too.


I'm not. never was. Not any landing.


Bertie