gun discharge in cockpit.

On Mar 31, 2:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

That's good. So what has prevented you from running amok and
slaughtering innocents?

I haven't had the time.

Good reason.

Dan wrote in news:e2f12d62-5927-46d8-a034-
:

On Mar 31, 2:22 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

There is, of course, the added ingredient that the US has gone
completely insane, but what you gonna do about that?

Bertie

Protect myself, my family, and property should the need arise, that's
what.



Good luck

Bertie

On Mar 31, 2:30 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Protect myself, my family, and property should the need arise, that's
what.

Good luck

Bertie

Luck favors the prepared.

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:07:02 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

On Mar 28, 6:50 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

A simple question, is this house on this fictional firing range, is it 1
foot wide..or less? Do you have any FACTS other than your lips flapping
of this house or people missing the side of a house, 25 - 50 feet across
from 20 yards consistently?

I'll reduce that sample down to one for the sake of argument.

One what? house side? The one that you are certain most ppl can't hit at
20 yards?

I'm certain that youou, LRRPBoy, cannot print a 1' group at 20 yards.

There you go again, certain, certain.

Didn't you say you were a LRRP? Unit? years? Rank? CO? Which Ranger
School Class? White Thread or no?

Prior service not were, yes, 1, yes, couple, yes, yes for tabs.

Of course you don't, My Little Trick Pony. And yes, once again, that IS
your ass I handed you and that is your HAT too.

Dude, you REALLY need to get out more.

Dan Mc

Thanks, pick up a copy of any of my books for more info, My Little Trick
Pony

On Mar 31, 3:13 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Well look who dropped in after adding to his "200 hours in the left
seat."

Didn't you say you were a LRRP? Unit? years? Rank? CO? Which Ranger
School Class? White Thread or no?

Prior service not were, yes, 1, yes, couple, yes, yes for tabs.

Oh really? Which years did you serve?



Dan Mc

On Apr 1, 7:02*am, Clark wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:fd7b9770-fb91-45ae-849d-
:


But it hasn't increased overall (by the US definition of violent
crime) has it? Why bull**** when you can admit you don't know any
statistics? Post your source that says I'm wrong.

Exactly, why do you bull**** when you can simply admit your position is
untenable? Good Luck!

There's no intelligent discourse to be had with you is there?

Cheers

On Mar 31, 2:22 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

There is, of course, the added ingredient that the US has gone
completely insane, but what you gonna do about that?

Bertie

Sorry I let this one slip....

Every generation since Aristotle's believed the world is going to hell
in a handbasket. No news there. Part of it is maturity and the
realization that life ain't pretty and you have to pursue and create
happiness and beauty -- it's not granted, unless you seek it.

I was pretty close to cynical after 21 years in the military, and then
Sept 11th happened.

Though it was the worst single day in our generation, the following
days literally renewed my faith in America.

There were moments of humanity that meant some much more by the
contrast they presented to the devastation -- in a shattered Burger
King food from NY City's finest restaurants was served free for any
rescue worker. I ate the best Shrimp Scampi ever while standing on
Vesey Street, surrounded by firemen and soldiers also dining on five-
star cuisine, all of us covered in the ubiquitous gray dust.

All along the streets surrounding the site were pallets filled with
dog food, work gloves and socks, respirators, handy wipes and towels.
I learned later that I'd missed the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
donated by a Kindergarten class in South Carolina. Each one had a note
that said, "We made peanut butter and jelly because just like you,
they stick together."

My brother and I met and worked besides rescue workers from at least
twenty states, search dog handlers from California, firemen form Long
Island, and Steel workers form Jersey.

It's as if America waits for the worst to bring forth its best.

I'll never forget that and I remind myself, when I start to get
cynical and pessimistic, that this country is absolutely filled with
people like that, and they are the bedrock of what makes us great.


Dan Mc

Dan wrote:
On Mar 29, 8:55 am, "Maxwell" luv^2^fly^99@^cox.^net wrote:

Give it up Matt. If this egghead is downsizing to a 9 from a 40 for self
defense, he is not even trainable.

You're such a genius -- Please do tell the significant differences
between the two calibers.


I know you think IPSC shooting is a game and has little to do with the
real world but it's power factor system is as good as any of calculating
the force projected on target.

9mm = 135 gr @ 1100 fps = 135,300
..40 S&W = 165 gr @ 980 fps = 161,700
..45acp = 230 gr @ 900 fps = 207,000

Note: the .45 acp round above is the Hydro Shock which can be found in
my carry gun.

Dan wrote:


You are confusing "power" with "ability to stop an assailant."

If all we wanted was "power," a 20 lb sledgehammer swung rapidly would
do quite nicely.

But sledgehammers are hard to conceal, don't provide very quick follow
ups, and have a very limited range.

The IPSC is biased towards the .45, thus the "power factor"
requirement. That's fine -- they can set any parameters they want --
IPSC is a game -- but don't take that requirement as an absolute
definition of effectiveness.

It isn't.

Read the FBI report which argues this point quite well:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Sadly, the 9mm has proven its effectiveness on many, many occasions.
The V Tech shooter killed 32 people with a .22-caliber Walther P22 and
a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19.

What drove the FBI, DEA, ICE, SF, and other LE and Military
communities to bigger, faster cartridges was the requirement to shoot
through glass, car doors, etc and to take down perps high on PCP,
Meth, etc.

If those situations are in your mission profile, get something big and
fast.

But MOST civilians don't have this threat as part of their normal
lives.

Thus what really matters is your mission profile -- your own
capabilities, your exposure, your risks, your local jursidiction
requirements, etc.

Define that, THEN make your choice of weapon.


Dan Mc



Google Miami FBI Shootout

On Mar 31, 4:51 pm, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote:

Google Miami FBI Shootout

Don't need to.

Are you involved in containing/stopping heavily armed bank robbers? If
so, you need to be equally armed.

But if you are a private citizen, you will probably end up in jail if
you try to STOP fleeing robbers.


Dan Mc