double wide trailer

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:48:10 -0700, Craig wrote:

It shouldn't be too difficult if they are loaded with one fuselage
facing forward and one backward. I've had trailers that loaded over the
tongue so and it wasn't a problem. You might even be able to set it up
so that one loads from one end and one from the other. That way they
can be used independently.

How do the semi-span and fuselage length compare? IOW, would the trailer
need to be be much longer than the semi-span if you packed the fuselages
top the tail so the center section of one was in front of or over the
nose of the other? I think you might have to arrange them that way:
sounds like you'd never get them in or out if the center sections
overlapped the rear fuselages in a more conventional top & tail
arrangement.

Of thinking totally off the wall: would the trailer be impossibly high if
the fuselages were stacked vertically, possibly with the top one on some
sort of hoist? With that sort of arrangement you might even get a
sleeping area in front of the fuselages. Two Libelle fuselages side by
side with the wings outside them would leave lots of room in front of
their fuselages between the wings for something like that.

Its an interesting problem to play with, anyway.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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But the main question is, who will chase you if both you and Leah are
flying????

Pete

Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a Discus.
A bit on the gigantic side...
Jim

On Oct 19, 8:24*am, JS wrote:
Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a Discus.
A bit on the gigantic side...
Jim

Jim,

I've talked with Garrett and seen pictures of their party wagon. Not
sure I'm ready for that kind of upgrade. I've got an old beater 1994
GMC 2 wheel drive V6 pickup with 256,000 miles on it that I would like
to keep for now for a tow vehicle. Not ready to upgrade a super heavy
duty diesel gas guzzler.

Martin -

I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. Perhaps its just too
early. The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. Each wing is about 18 or 19
ft long.

I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed
center section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings flat
on the floor. I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the double
Cherokee trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the floor. one
wing would go root first the other tip first. then the fuselages in,
one nose first the other tail first. This could potentially minimize
trailer width.

What sort of car does your partner have? I would imagine the
glider weighs next to nothing. You don't need large cars and
pick-ups to safely tow trailers, almost any car can be used.
Much cheaper and flexible to fit a tow bar to her car.

At 13:48 19 October 2010, Tony wrote:
On Oct 19, 8:24=A0am, JS wrote:
Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a
Discus.
A bit on the gigantic side...
Jim

Jim,

I've talked with Garrett and seen pictures of their party wagon.
Not
sure I'm ready for that kind of upgrade. I've got an old beater
1994
GMC 2 wheel drive V6 pickup with 256,000 miles on it that I
would like
to keep for now for a tow vehicle. Not ready to upgrade a
super heavy
duty diesel gas guzzler.

Martin -

I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. Perhaps its just
too
early. The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. Each wing is about 18
or 19
ft long.

I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed
center section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings
flat
on the floor. I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the
double
Cherokee trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the
floor. one
wing would go root first the other tip first. then the fuselages
in,
one nose first the other tail first. This could potentially
minimize
trailer width.

On Oct 19, 9:39*am, Mark Dickson wrote:
What sort of car does your partner have? *I would imagine the
glider weighs next to nothing. *You don't need large cars and
pick-ups to safely tow trailers, almost any car can be used. *
Much cheaper and flexible to fit a tow bar to her car.

she has 5 speed 4 cylinder subaru outback impreza. it is not a tow
vehicle.

she will share driving on a long trip. this season we've probably put
5000 miles on the truck/trailer together. At least twice we've pulled
the Cherokee from sunrise to sunset (Marfa - Wichita and Portales, NM
- Wichita). Neither one of us is interested in long solo drives. We
do enjoy each others company on long road trips though. She'd rather
ride with me and not have her glider than drive solo across the
country. I don't blame her. I'm not interested in driving solo either
to places like Marfa, Caesar Creek, or Elmira from here in Wichita.
With a double trailer then we both can go flying when we get there.

On Oct 19, 7:51*am, Tony wrote:
On Oct 19, 9:39*am, Mark Dickson wrote:

What sort of car does your partner have? *I would imagine the
glider weighs next to nothing. *You don't need large cars and
pick-ups to safely tow trailers, almost any car can be used. *
Much cheaper and flexible to fit a tow bar to her car.

she has 5 speed 4 cylinder subaru outback impreza. it is not a tow
vehicle.

she will share driving on a long trip. *this season we've probably put
5000 miles on the truck/trailer together. *At least twice we've pulled
the Cherokee from sunrise to sunset (Marfa - Wichita and Portales, NM
- Wichita). *Neither one of us is interested in long solo drives. We
do enjoy each others company on long road trips though. She'd rather
ride with me and not have her glider than drive solo across the
country. I don't blame her. I'm not interested in driving solo either
to places like Marfa, Caesar Creek, or Elmira from here in Wichita.
With a double trailer then we both can go flying when we get there.

Make some simple scale models out of foam or balsa and start playing
around with them. It's much easier to figure out when you have
something solid in your hands that can be arranged at will. You'll
have it knocked out a couple days before the person with the computer
and fancy software.

Craig

*Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
gliders, namely two Cherokee II's.

Have you checked with the Willat family? They took a motorhome,
and it seems to me (if I remember correctly) one trailer, one
motorhome and
three gliders....if ANYONE knows how to do it, it would be them!

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:48:32 -0700, Tony wrote:

I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. Perhaps its just too
early. The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. Each wing is about 18 or 19 ft
long.

Tony,

On those measurements what I was thinking wouldn't work. I thought your
fuselage was quite a bit shorter than the wings, which isn't the case.

I have a box trailer for my Libelle with the wings taking up the full
trailer length except for about a foot at the rear. The fuselage is in
the back of the trailer with the rear of the rudder just inside the door.
Each wing is 8m long including spar stubs, while the fuselage is only
6.2m, so I've got around 2m (6'6") going begging in front of the fuselage
where my tow-out gear, trestles and spare wheel live. And there is still
a lot of spare cubic in there.

I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed center
section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings flat on the
floor. I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the double Cherokee
trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the floor. one wing would
go root first the other tip first. then the fuselages in, one nose
first the other tail first.

I see what you're saying, which would leave a parallel-sides space
between the wing racks. The thing I wondered about is how far apart would
the fuselages have to be so the wing stubs on the rear-facing one would
pass the fin of the forward facing one when you were getting it out. Same
problem applies to the other end and other stubs and fin of course.

Being a model builder, I'd probably make reasonably accurate models of
the wings, tails and fuselages out of, say, white foam, so you could
experiment with balsa sticks to make supports and see not only how the
fit them close together but if you can still get them in and out. I have
a feeling that might be the hardest part.

FWIW my trailer seems to have been designed by packing the Libelle bits
into the smallest possible arrangement and then leaving 3 inches all
round. It goes into and comes out of the trailer OK but care is needed.
Its very tight inside there and I'm bent double moving the wings, which
fit tip-forward, between their root spar supports and a dolly. This
operation would be pretty much impossible without a thick plastic pad to
rest the root leading edge on while getting inside to lift the spars onto
or off their tiedown rack. The moral of this is, if you're building an
end-loading box trailer, be sure to leave more than the absolute minimum
of free space or you'll curse yourself in future.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

It may require some creativity as
they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.

Just buy a 2 seater...


Screw the 2 seater, go twin!! http://community.livejournal.com/ru_...ft/198624.html
Of course it would still leave you with some creative trailer
solutions to figure out...

-Paul