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![]() Roy Smith wrote: Mitty wrote: It was a while back, but I'm pretty sure the instructions were along the line of: "Proceed direct Gopher and hold as published at 3000, expect further clearance at xx:xx Zulu." 3000 seems to be minimum vectoring altitude in that area. That makes sense. I'm not sure why you said you were "vectored into the hold", though. You went direct to the VOR and held. Nothing vectorish about it :-) When I told him I was ready to go he cleared me for the approach. I then asked for another turn in the hold to lose altitude (FAF crossing is 2500), which was approved. OK, here's my take on this. Since you were not vectored to the final approach course, and were not approaching the FAF along a segment labeled NoPT, you were required to perform a PT. A racetrack pattern is a perfectly acceptable way of flying a PT, and it sounds like this is what you did. On the other hand, this is a bit of a grey area in my mind. Rather than second guessing the controller, a quick radio call will eliminate any possible confusion on both sides. Lack of confusion is always a good thing. wrote the following: Finally, let's say you missed the approach and park in that pattern until the weather improves. Because it is a pattern that is lined up correctly and not more than 300 feet higher than the FAF altitude, you can go straight-in once cleared for the approach. What does the "300 feet higher" have to do with anything? The AIM says: 5-4-9. Procedure Turn a. A procedure turn is the maneuver prescribed when it is necessary to perform a course reversal to establish the aircraft inbound on an intermediate or final approach course. The procedure turn or hold in lieu of procedure turn is a required maneuver. The procedure turn is not required when the symbol "No PT" is shown, when RADAR VECTORING to the final approach course is provided, when conducting a timed approach, or when the procedure turn is not authorized. I don't see anything in there about 300 feet. That is the criteria for timed IAPs or HILs at FAFs. If you think it is unreasonable, then do the procedure turn, by all means. |
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